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Are DeBlasio's housing plans aimed mostly at the poor??
The mayor called the old "80/20" model in which 80% of new developments are market rate and 20% affordable "a model of the past." Going forward, the city will adopt a new "50/30/20" model in which 20% of units will be available to low-income households, 30% to moderate income households and 50% for middle-income households, which is essentially market-rate. In other words, 20% of the low-income units would be available to households earning 50% of the area median income, or around $41,000 for a family of four. -NYT
In other words 30% is aimed for the core middle class. The Hunter's Point development in LIC is an example of this. The majority of the units (about 5,000) are for households earning between $55,000 and $158,000
Also, the low-income affordable housing built within 80-20 developments do not usually consist of the trashy, ghetto type that often infest section-8 buildings and the projects. Due to the lengthy qualification process, most are simply hardworking New Yorkers without lucrative jobs. Low-income in these buildings do not equal ghetto trash. There are dozens of luxury buildings with this income mix and the developers have no problems keeping market rate rents high and their apartments filled.
Use your brain and stop babbling nonsense. It makes you look like a fool. Middle class top income I'd say roughly 150K for couples. Upper middle class I'd say starts for a couple at 200K.
Asking someone rambling on about something he clearly knows nothing about has a very clear purpose. It exposes stupidity.
The ranges you defined as middle class roughly defines the incomes near the top 10% of Americans from about 85 to 95%.
What you seem to THINK middle class is has nothing to do with common sense.
FYI, The median household income in the United States is $49,000. For New York City, it is $54,000. The median household income of the Bronx is $34,0000.
So there is nothing wrong with defining Middle Class any want you want. I asked you to do it because I wanted to see how silly your definition was. You fulfilled my expectations admirably.
Just so you sound more sensible next time, remember that when two or more people talk about an undefined subject, one or more of them is talking through his hat. If you define a subject you can then talk the same language.
So instead of the 'middle class this' and the "middle class THAT," simply talk about households earning $200,000 a year and then people better recognize what you are talking about. And most people will realize that there is very little to do with "middle" in that group.
Last edited by Kefir King; 05-12-2014 at 05:03 PM..
Asking someone rambling on about something he clearly knows nothing about has a very clear purpose. It exposes stupidity.
The ranges you defined as middle class roughly defines the incomes of the to 10% of Americans from about 90 to 99%.
What you seem to THINK middle class is has nothing to do with common sense.
FYI, The median household income in the United States is $49,000.
A family earning 49k in NYC is going to live in a poor neighborhood or in some sort of affordable housing or is going to have to live with roommates. To be able to live comfortably in a nice, safe neighborhood in NYC you need to earn well into the 6 digits.
A family earning 49k in NYC is going to live in a poor neighborhood or in
some sort of affordable housing or is going to have to live with roommates.
A family doesn't live with roommates. It is a household.
Again, fully half the household in America are BELOW that 49K.
The "well into the 6 digit" income is RICH, and it is relatively rare. There are a LOT of people over the median in the range between 49K and "six digits" added onto the 50% BELOW 49K.
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To be able to live comfortably in a nice, safe neighborhood in NYC you need
to earn well into the 6 digits.
That simply is not true.
Back to topic...New Yorkers whining about what "the poor" get and then someone whining about how left out the "middle class " is when it comes to housing, presupposing that the "middle class" should get housing help.
When asked to define "middle class" we find he is talking about households making $150K, 200K and up.
Thus the whining is about those unfortunates making incomes in the 90 percentile bracket having to pay their own way.
My goal was to clearly expose the hypocrisy hidden behind some people's use of the term Middle Class.
I succeeded.
Hey, Hilltopjay could have been worse...John McCain said middle class began at 1/2 MILLION.
I have no problem with someone saying something he believes. But knowingly hiding behind duplicitous language to make an otherwise unmakable point deserves being called out on it.
Last edited by Kefir King; 05-12-2014 at 05:18 PM..
Sorry KK but 49K in NYC is not considered middle class. Maybe in middle America but not here. Hence why I mentioned 70K as a more realistic starting point in being middle class in NY as an individual.
Sorry KK but 49K in NYC is not considered middle class. Maybe in middle America but not here. Hence why I mentioned 70K as a more realistic starting point in being middle class in NY as an individual.
70k as an individual could get you a place in Eastern Queens or North Bronx or Staten Island. But for Manhattan as a whole, and the parts of Queens and Brooklyn that are anywhere near a reasonable commute to Manhattan, 70k is nowhere near middle class.
A family doesn't live with roommates. It is a household.
Again, fully half the household in America are BELOW that 49K.
The "well into the 6 digit" income is RICH, and it is relatively rare. There are a LOT of people over the median in the range between 49K and "six digits" added onto the 50% BELOW 49K.
That simply is not true.
Back to topic...New Yorkers whining about what "the poor" get and then someone whining about how left out the "middle class " is when it comes to housing, presupposing that the "middle class" should get housing help.
When asked to define "middle class" we find he is talking about households making $150K, 200K and up.
Thus the whining is about those unfortunates making incomes in the 90 percentile bracket having to pay their own way.
My goal was to clearly expose the hypocrisy hidden behind some people's use of the term Middle Class.
I succeeded.
Hey, Hilltopjay could have been worse...John McCain said middle class began at 1/2 MILLION.
I have no problem with someone saying something he believes. But knowingly hiding behind duplicitous language to make an otherwise unmakable point deserves being called out on it.
If you're talking about NYC the American median income is absolutely irrelevant. Most Americans couldn't afford to get a market rate studio in Manhattan south of 96th Street.
And again, in order to live a comfortable life in a market rate apartment or to buy a house or some other real estate in much of the city one needs to earn well into the six digits.
In order to rent a studio in Manhattan (some go for up to 3k) you need to make 40 times one month's rent in order to get approved for the apartment. Meaning, you need to make 120k a year.
Otherwise, you have to apply for various types of affordable housing (wait list can take years) and live with roommates wherever and with how many people.
And yes, there are married people with children who have roommates and extra family members living with them because they get income from them paying a portion of the rent. This is very common in NYC for low income people. Sadly, today 49k in NYC is low income. A lot of people are surviving that only because they've been living in their apartment for a long time. But should they leave their apartment for some reason, they'd likely have to move to the fringes of the city to stay in town.
Libs like to feel like they're helping people so they give the poor free sh*t and plus they get votes.
But you know what, all they're doing is enabling these people. Won't end anytime soon. A lot of ignorant poor out there.
Enabler is a perfect word to describe libturds. They pimp the poor by giving them handouts, welfare, food stamps, free cell phones, free everything in exchange for the Democrat vote.
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