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But the White House WANTS illegal immigration to continue and even EXPAND. Why would they take action against a City supporting exactly that position?
Indeed - why should the best interest of tax paying Americans supersede Central Americans? Kind of makes you wonder if the GOP has a point after all.
As someone stated previously, just what NY needs - more poverty stricken, illiterate (even in their own language) illegals with a cup in their hand turning more and more areas of NY into ghettos. Before long, tax paying NYers will be housing and educating all of Latin America
While I think the policy is despicable (no, I'm not some heartless tool who beams with glee at hardworking, otherwise law-abiding people being deported away from their families, but we are a nation of laws), the interesting thing is that such a policy, which we see primarily in leftist states/cities (even where leftist cities do it in conservative states, they are often in more conservative counties where the sheriff still enforces holds), is only going to go to ensure that Democrats are not competitive in certain regions. As Democrats open their cities and limited resources to lawbreakers who shouldn't be in this country, more will leave places like TX, NC, GA, etc.
I see no difference in the de facto positions of NYC and the Federal government. Both allow virtually unlimited immigration, legal and illegal, so that corporations can keep wages low and unions in decline.
Not that much different from bringing slaves in to work the plantations...cheaply. Or coolies in to build railroads...cheaply.
Obama is daily touting the HORRORS of sending illegal aliens back to their homeland. He wants to remove the word illegal from the status. The only thing going for the rule of law on immigration is the president's proven incompetence.
The eleven available jobs still remaining in the country will soon be filled...cheaply.
Incorrect. Deportations, removals, and returns under Obama and Bush have been more or less equal.
One difference now is that more business owners who blatantly hire undocumented immigrants are being held responsible. Under Bush, a new system was created that did not just return undocumented immigrants, but divided them into groups classified as removals or returns in order to identify and track multiple attempts --they therefore had to be processed, not just shipped back. But the immigration system has been completely overwhelmed.
People often refer to the Central American children crossing the border as proof of an open-door policy, but this is not really the case. There's a legal hearing process that must be followed for unaccompanied minors requesting asylum. This process was put into place when Bush signed the Trafficking Victims Reauthorization Act in 2008. Obama is trying amend this law. Stricter border control has made it more dangerous to cross, but what we're seeing are not Mexicans (their economy is improving) but those from the most oppressed and volatile regions, such as Honduras.
Republicans at present don't want Obama to use executive authority for any changes, but they have not offered solutions of their own. Boehner's favorite phrase is "maybe next year." We have a two party system and this requires a bipartisan solution.
I cant fathom why you and so many confuse LEGAL AND ILLEGAL immigrants? There is a big difference.
This has NOTHING to do with legal vs illegal immigrants. This is 100% anti-immigrant wackos.
If, as you claim, people have no problem with immigrants, they just want them to have legal status, then why are the same people also fighting Obama's proposal for a path to legalization?
Poor immigrants can't come to the U.S. legally. There is currently no legal path, unless you have family already in the U.S. So saying "come here legally" is idiotic, because there is no way to come here legally (at least not for unskilled labor with no family in the U.S.).
The reason the U.S. has an "illegal immigrant problem" is because the U.S. has a stupid immigration policy. Other countries have a process for unskilled labor entering the country, and we don't, so we get more undocumented immigrants than places like Canada and Western Europe, even though those places have weaker borders and more generous immigration policy. In short, they don't get illegals because they have a process for coming legally, and we don't.
Speak for yourself. I am in NYC and am anti ILLEGAL immigrant. When you look around this city, do you really say, "hmm you know what this place needs more of? Uneducated poor people that can't speak English and have extremely limited marketable job skills."
Oh, and by the way - I'm married to an immigrant. A very legal one who didn't break the law right from her first step on the soil of this country.
You can have a welfare state or you can have a pro immigration state. You can not have both, but that is precisely what nyc is attempting to do.
Most New Yorkers are pro-immigrant. The fact that you're married to an immigrant, and yet anti-immigrant, exposes your hypocrisy.
And your spouse is legal because she could come legally. In fact you're married to him/her, proving my point. Why would you deny others the same opportunities as your wife, unless you were motivated by bigotry?
And yes, NYC does need more immigrants, even unskilled immigrants from poor countries. They are the lifeblood of the city. They have totally revitalized this city over the last 30 years. Ask any small business owner if they have problems finding employees and they will agree we need more immigrants. My brother has a small business in Brooklyn (Bay Ridge) and he is desperate for more employees, and yes, his best employees are immigrants (some legal, some not).
Former dumpy neighborhoods are now thriving and booming thanks to immigrants, and yes, many of them came illegally. Compare most of the Bronx/Brooklyn/Queens in 1980 to today. The city is 1000x better, thanks to immigrants. Flushing went from a declining dump to a boomtown. Sunset Park went from Detroit to super-thriving. Brighton Beach went from decay-on-the-water to super-desirable. The whole Bronx is like night and day better.
If the city won't cooperate with the feds on deporting illegals, then the feds should cut all funds going to NYC.
That would be a wonderful thing for NYC, given that NYC gives far more to the feds than NYC receives in return. If NYC stopped sending money to the feds, and the feds did the same, NYC would be a far richer city.
I have no problem with legal immigration. I have a big problem with illegal immigration. If people are willing to break the law to come here, what does that say about what they'd do while they're here?
And, as a country, we have every right to decide who should be allowed in, and who shouldn't, on any criteria we choose. If we don't want to allow unskilled workers in, that's perfectly valid. We have enough here already.
What's really needed is a way to make it impossible to function as an illegal immigrant. I would get rid of cash as it exists now. Everyone would be issued a biometrically keyed smart ID card. Among the data it would hold would be immigration status and, if on a visa, expiration date. It would also have a stored value function to be used instead of paper cash. Anyone in the country legally for any reason (citizen, legal immigrant, any kind of traveler), would have to have one of these cards. People coming from outside the country would have to get one from a US consulate before coming in (like a visa, which it would essentially replace.) All personal financial transactions would have to track back to the card. It would replace all other government IDs (mainly drivers licenses.) All employers would have to verify this ID.
Anyone illegally in the country wouldn't have one. They wouldn't be able to get any even vaguely legal job, and wouldn't be able to get paid under the counter. Anyone doesn't have this ID, and can't show that they've been issued one (there's be a way to look it up by the biometric key), would be summarily deported.
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Originally Posted by NOLA101
This has NOTHING to do with legal vs illegal immigrants. This is 100% anti-immigrant wackos.
If, as you claim, people have no problem with immigrants, they just want them to have legal status, then why are the same people also fighting Obama's proposal for a path to legalization?
Poor immigrants can't come to the U.S. legally. There is currently no legal path, unless you have family already in the U.S. So saying "come here legally" is idiotic, because there is no way to come here legally (at least not for unskilled labor with no family in the U.S.).
The reason the U.S. has an "illegal immigrant problem" is because the U.S. has a stupid immigration policy. Other countries have a process for unskilled labor entering the country, and we don't, so we get more undocumented immigrants than places like Canada and Western Europe, even though those places have weaker borders and more generous immigration policy. In short, they don't get illegals because they have a process for coming legally, and we don't.
While I think the policy is despicable (no, I'm not some heartless tool who beams with glee at hardworking, otherwise law-abiding people being deported away from their families, but we are a nation of laws), the interesting thing is that such a policy, which we see primarily in leftist states/cities (even where leftist cities do it in conservative states, they are often in more conservative counties where the sheriff still enforces holds), is only going to go to ensure that Democrats are not competitive in certain regions. As Democrats open their cities and limited resources to lawbreakers who shouldn't be in this country, more will leave places like TX, NC, GA, etc.
I don't think so. Places like TX, NC, and GA will always have immigrants working on farms or in construction and after arriving here people do tend to get established where they are and have children and all. Someone who does certain types of labor may find a support base/network for that kind of labor (they may know all the farms hiring in South Texas) so no one is going to move here just because of this new policy.
What's really needed is a way to make it impossible to function as an illegal immigrant. I would get rid of cash as it exists now. Everyone would be issued a biometrically keyed smart ID card. Among the data it would hold would be immigration status and, if on a visa, expiration date. It would also have a stored value function to be used instead of paper cash. Anyone in the country legally for any reason (citizen, legal immigrant, any kind of traveler), would have to have one of these cards. People coming from outside the country would have to get one from a US consulate before coming in (like a visa, which it would essentially replace.) All personal financial transactions would have to track back to the card. It would replace all other government IDs (mainly drivers licenses.) All employers would have to verify this ID.
The US public, the banking sector, retail, the state governments, the state department would all oppose this on multiple grounds. It would never happen.
It excessively allows the government to track you for starters. It eliminates cash by order of the government (which prints it, I know, but still). It creates a national id which the US doesn't want, outside of US passports and US military ids.
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