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THe question is why are white people moving into cities? Suburbs shot themselves in the foot. Suburbs are no longer sustainable across America. In some parts of the country suburbs have died, a good example of this is abandoned malls. Suburban folks are over educated and vast majority go to college compared to undereducated native urbanites. Suburbs do not have enough professional jobs, so that forced suburbanites to go to cities for work. Also some white folks may not stay in cities forever do to poor schools, pollution and other nuances that has not been improved in NYC yet.
In another 50 years when America becomes more Hispanic and Asian, white people are going to fear Hispanics and Asians moving back into the cities from the suburbs.
This is a good point. There is not enough supply of walkable, urban neighborhoods, and so people from the suburbs (or anybody new who wants to move into the city) are likely to displace some of the existing inhabitants. And one of the issues is that when the people are displaced, there's a good chance they're going to move further out, to a more isolated area. For example, in Inwood & Washington Heights, the subway is right there and goes straight downtown. In Highbridge & Morris Heights, you have to take a bus to access the subway, which adds more time to your commute.
If more walkable, urban areas are built, it'll give people more options in terms of where they can live. For example, building a subway line up Third Avenue in The Bronx would mean that if somebody gets displaced from Washington Heights, they won't just be restricted to areas along the Grand Concourse/Jerome Avenue if they want to have a relatively easy commute. And if LIRR improvements like the Main Line project are done, once again, it's more people who can stay in the suburbs instead of taking up an apartment in the city.
Not one person commented on this, which is actually the most valid point here.
The city is less interesting because it is increasingly populated by people who have the cash. That is the single criterion and it replaced something around whether a given person could "make it" - talented enough, hard-working enough, the list could go on. Interesting and creative people came here in the '60, '70s, '80s, perhaps even in the 1990s still, and I realize how fortunate I was to be around them as a child. When I encountered them they were already wealthy and established artists, writers, what-have-you. Without them, there would have been little to sell the transplants who would arrive clutching parental monies.
Fewer of these people come to New York now. It is an fundamentally accepted fact about downtown, for example - or perhaps most meaningfully - that the majority of the residents are very very rich with nothing, absolutely nothing at all, going on. We can live wherever we want and will probably never live there again. There is not enough in the offing. It is currently a dead zone of corporate brands, middle-American money - and far worse, middle-American culture, and euro-trash. In fact, it is more likely that we would move to London or Berlin.
In academia we would point out that New York has become a signifier for itself. We all know how that ends eventually.
For the mentally challenged out there, AGAIN, very low income people are still coming to New York. More every day. What did one such person call them ? Oh, yes. The "scum." It is not the "scum" who are necessarily being priced out, and not in the highest numbers in any case. FYI - working class people are not "scum," or at least few that I have encountered would be classified that way and definitely not necessarily.
I agree here. I noticed similar nuances myself in recent years.
This is a good point. There is not enough supply of walkable, urban neighborhoods, and so people from the suburbs (or anybody new who wants to move into the city) are likely to displace some of the existing inhabitants. And one of the issues is that when the people are displaced, there's a good chance they're going to move further out, to a more isolated area. For example, in Inwood & Washington Heights, the subway is right there and goes straight downtown. In Highbridge & Morris Heights, you have to take a bus to access the subway, which adds more time to your commute.
If more walkable, urban areas are built, it'll give people more options in terms of where they can live. For example, building a subway line up Third Avenue in The Bronx would mean that if somebody gets displaced from Washington Heights, they won't just be restricted to areas along the Grand Concourse/Jerome Avenue if they want to have a relatively easy commute. And if LIRR improvements like the Main Line project are done, once again, it's more people who can stay in the suburbs instead of taking up an apartment in the city.
The city has a surplus precisely because they displaced poor people from prime real estate and replaced them with people who earn more money. It's in their best interest to do so.
The city has a surplus precisely because they displaced poor people from prime real estate and replaced them with people who earn more money. It's in their best interest to do so.
It's crazy to me that people renting a private home feel so entitled. The reason that rental properties are built, managed and maintained to begin with is so that someone can make a living renting the apartments out. People also have the option of 'buying' their own home. If you 'buy', you have the benefit of making money by investing in 'your' neighborhood. Just as for-profit developers did when they built 'your' rental building.
And when you move to Florida try not to displace any of my family members. Or do they not count because they're white?
A "punk" who is pro-gentrification. The irony isn't lost on me, considering punk would have never came into existence in a gentrified New York.
Who said anything about white people not being affected by gentrification? Even the world famous CBGBs, the birthplace of punk was forced out because of gentrification.
A "punk" who is pro-gentrification. The irony isn't lost on me, considering punk would have never came into existence in a gentrified New York.
Who said anything about white people not being affected by gentrification? Even the world famous CBGBs, the birthplace of punk was forced out because of gentrification.
Not entirely true. It had gone vastly downhill. Privileged young people from New Jersey would come on Sundays to consume the punk "brand" and while hanging around they would throw beer bottles against buildings, spray paint, everything imaginable. In broad daylight and on a Sunday afternoon. People own those properties and live in them.
Most of the residents of the direct area had loved the actual CBGB but that had not existed for some time. So there was no support in the community - and here, it was NOT "gentrifiers," but people who had lived there for decades or generations. In the end people wanted the mindless vandalism and disruption to stop.
I'm generally FOR gentrification but I do agree that having slummy areas seems to be a boon for the creative type. Hopefully we can find some kind of balance
Not one person commented on this, which is actually the most valid point here.
The city is less interesting because it is increasingly populated by people who have the cash. That is the single criterion and it replaced something around whether a given person could "make it" - talented enough, hard-working enough, the list could go on. Interesting and creative people came here in the '60, '70s, '80s, perhaps even in the 1990s still, and I realize how fortunate I was to be around them as a child. When I encountered them they were already wealthy and established artists, writers, what-have-you. Without them, there would have been little to sell the transplants who would arrive clutching parental monies.
Fewer of these people come to New York now. It is an fundamentally accepted fact about downtown, for example - or perhaps most meaningfully - that the majority of the residents are very very rich with nothing, absolutely nothing at all, going on. We can live wherever we want and will probably never live there again. There is not enough in the offing. It is currently a dead zone of corporate brands, middle-American money - and far worse, middle-American culture, and euro-trash. In fact, it is more likely that we would move to London or Berlin.
In academia we would point out that New York has become a signifier for itself. We all know how that ends eventually.
For the mentally challenged out there, AGAIN, very low income people are still coming to New York. More every day. What did one such person call them ? Oh, yes. The "scum." It is not the "scum" who are necessarily being priced out, and not in the highest numbers in any case. FYI - working class people are not "scum," or at least few that I have encountered would be classified that way and definitely not necessarily.
Your living in the wrong city, I hear current Detroit is like NYC in the 1970's. Feel free to move to Detroit and relive the old days. You won't have to worry about gentrification for another 45 years.
Your living in the wrong city, I hear current Detroit is like NYC in the 1970's. Feel free to move to Detroit and relive the old days. You won't have to worry about gentrification for another 45 years.
I have little actual knowledge of New York in the 1970s - infancy, and then only at the very end.
And it's "you're," by the way. Seeming illiterate will not help your credibility.
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