Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
What we have here is simply more Progressive/Socialist/Democratic/Liberal nonsense to compel businesses into acting like social service agencies instead of their own interests.
It already costs more to hire and retain employees in New York than many other areas of the USA outside of perhaps certain West coast areas such as LA, SF and Seattle.
Leave us get straight to the point of this latest Liberal policy law; the largest class of persons with criminal convictions (especially low level) in NYC/NYS are blacks and Latinos/Hispanics, in particular males. What this bill does is force employers to wait until *AFTER* an offer of employment is made or close enough to it before doing a criminal background check. Problem is, and this is well known to anyone whom is an attorney and or in HR is a potential employer *CAN* be sued for withdrawing an employment offer without good reason. Even *if* the case is frivolous and or the employer prevails at trail (good luck with that in a NYC/NYS court), there are the costs associated with defending such a lawsuit.
This is why I say many of you are dreaming if you think employers are in any great numbers going to blindly interview people with one hand tied behind their back. This new bill (surely to become law since Bill de Bozo loves this stuff), means that employers will be damned if they do and equally so if they don't.
I thought this person was more intelligent. And I have a feeling ...
"Whom" is not correct in any of what you wrote. Agents are "who."
In any case, you do seem to be quite invested here and are not quite coherent.
Do explain the experience you have with hiring procedures - I have quite a bit as do most of the people I know.
Many (most ?) bigger employers worry about law suits from someone during the entire process. Excepting the most specious no-talent "they did not place me on center stage because I am [fill in the blank] ..." claims, many are successful in the sense that they are just settled to avoid negative press.
About the checks - the "offers" are conditional and may be withdrawn if the person doesn't check out. It does expose the prospective employer to scrutiny regarding hiring process, which is not bad.
I thought this person was more intelligent. And I have a feeling ...
"Whom" is not correct in any of what you wrote. Agents are "who."
In any case, you do seem to be quite invested here and are not quite coherent.
Do explain the experience you have with hiring procedures - I have quite a bit as do most of the people I know.
Many (most ?) bigger employers worry about law suits from someone during the entire process. Excepting the most specious no-talent "they did not place me on center stage because I am [fill in the blank] ..." claims, many are successful in the sense that they are just settled to avoid negative press.
About the checks - the "offers" are conditional and may be withdrawn if the person doesn't check out. It does expose the prospective employer to scrutiny regarding hiring process, which is not bad.
Am so sorry about using "whom" instead of "who". Thought this was an informal Internet posting site, not writing an essay for entrance to Bryn Mawr.
Have worked in HR *and* now own a small business. That experience along with hearing continuous feedback from friends and peers involved in hiring. Is that enough for you?
Main job of HR is to keep an employer from being sued by current employees and potential. There are already enough federal , NYS and NYC laws on the books regarding employment laws especially as it relates to discrimination to fill shelves. So now NYC wants to add yet another which will in the end probably end up not moving the needle very much.
As to your other point what do you think is going to happen when one of these so called "conditional" offers of employment is withdrawn because of a criminal background check done late in the recruitment process? I can tell you with almost certainty one or more of such persons are going to be on the phone to the NYC council and or the media. There will be letters written and the usual suspects will surround these "victims" on the steps of City Hall where a press conference will be called to denounce said employer.
The voters have spoken. Also didnt the police chief just get critized for saying that it's difficult to hire certain races because they have a high percentage with a criminal past. What exactly does this law confirm for us?
The sad part is the only people who are automatically disqualified from employment are people with felony. If you have a misdemeanor for reckless driving (speeding) you are still eligible for employment. This is a argument over whether people who committed serious crimes deserve a second chance.
Decriminalizing marijuana possession from a felony and legalizing marijuana would go a long way to helping is constituency find employment.
Right, Harlem Resident. The purpose is not to prematurely de-rail applicants who've already paid their debt to society. That's great news about credit checks, which I didn't know. I have a good credit rating, but I was vehemently opposed to it on principle - it was the modern equivalent of a Dickensian debtors prison. The goal should be to integrate people back into the workforce, not to punish them excessively.
Henna, that would be disturbing, because I'm assuming it's possible to end up with a criminal record just from mishaps during a political protest.
I don't know why so many DeBozo supporters here always try to misrepresent reality. It almost seems like they will try to make certain groups look like angels and assume other people have no clue how things work.
Many people including myself who grew up in poor areas in NYC has had friends that committed minor crimes and therefore should know that judges in NYC are very lenient. Unless you bash a cop over the head during the political protest the charges will be either dropped or reduced to nothing, but a violation and will not result in a criminal conviction. In fact if you're a first time offender unless it's something serious the most you'll get is an ACD for which charges are sealed and not viewable by most employers. That is unless you talk smack to the judge, for a first time offender, everything from petit larceny down will be either reduced to a violation or an ACD will be issued. The caveat is that for certain fields/industries including non-city gov't, education, finance, healthcare, lawyers, they will do a finger printed FBI criminal background check and see everything. Some industries are governed by federal law which trumps local law, and may treat ACDs as convictions so they still might hold the charges dismissed via an ACD against you.
So no, an event that many people would categorize as a "mishap" during a political protest will not result in a criminal record. Cracking someone's head open during the protest, however, might.
Last edited by bumblebyz; 06-10-2015 at 10:20 PM..
The sad part is the only people who are automatically disqualified from employment are people with felony. If you have a misdemeanor for reckless driving (speeding) you are still eligible for employment. This is a argument over whether people who committed serious crimes deserve a second chance.
Decriminalizing marijuana possession from a felony and legalizing marijuana would go a long way to helping is constituency find employment.
Reckless driving is nothing unless you're applying to become a driver. I think people, even those with felonies, do deserve second and even third chances, but it should be up to the employer to decide. They have every right to freely research job candidates. There shouldn't be roadblocks put up for employers just because a large portion of the democratic voting base in NYC have criminal records or are associated with people who have felony criminal records.
I agree that decriminalizing marijuana would be good, and no arrests should be made solely for the possession of marijuana for personal use.
I observe the shrill kind of apocalyptic tone from the right-leaning with interest and amusement.
"Free-market" and everything that goes with it or the world will explode.
Dire need to go back to teaching in all universities - not just training. This is already starting to backfire on us but the corporates are laughing all of the way to the bank.
I observe the shrill kind of apocalyptic tone from the right-leaning with interest and amusement.
"Free-market" and everything that goes with it or the world will explode.
Dire need to go back to teaching in all universities - not just training. This is already starting to backfire on us but the corporates are laughing all of the way to the bank.
If the current regime thinks that a person's criminal background should not affect their consideration for a job then just be more direct and implement laws to make that happen. Why play all these games? Just be direct and don't hide behind all the smoke and mirrors. Those of us that don't want to hire excons as daycare workers, teachers, and etc would respect that more.
If the current regime thinks that a person's criminal background should not affect their consideration for a job then just be more direct and implement laws to make that happen. Why play all these games? Just be direct and don't hide behind all the smoke and mirrors. Those of us that don't want to hire excons as daycare workers, teachers, and etc would respect that more.
De blasio should try and see ex con who served felonies Yo become public servants. Ex cons can not become cops. Fire fighters, sanitation or teachers.
De blasio should try and see ex con who served felonies Yo become public servants. Ex cons can not become cops. Fire fighters, sanitation or teachers.
+1. But i do think people deserve multiple chances. They need to implement laws that are more targeted and make more sense. For certain industries and positions minor crimes committed a long time ago shouldn't matter.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
