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Public transportation is not a server farm. Two very different thing. If you read what I sasid, it's not about the accident but the response to an accident or major incident. If someone has a heart attack on a train, an automated train is not going to stop and call 911. The train operator has to call for help, and also HOLD the train there until help comes, and until help has taken the person off the train. These decisions cannot be made by computers.
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Public transportation is not a server farm. Two very different thing. If you read what I sasid, it's not about the accident but the response to an accident or major incident. If someone has a heart attack on a train, an automated train is not going to stop and call 911. The train operator has to call for help, and also HOLD the train there until help comes, and until help has taken the person off the train. These decisions cannot be made by computers.
Couldn't that be done by somebody in an office connected to the intercom system? Right now the intercom on the new trains go to the conductors cab. Why can't that be sent to a central dispatch?
Public transportation is not a server farm. Two very different thing. If you read what I sasid, it's not about the accident but the response to an accident or major incident. If someone has a heart attack on a train, an automated train is not going to stop and call 911. The train operator has to call for help, and also HOLD the train there until help comes, and until help has taken the person off the train. These decisions cannot be made by computers.
The easiest solution is to find out how this is done in many of the other vast metros of the world which have computer automated transit.
One EMS response person on every car is still half the price of a NYCT operator, and likely more useful.
Still, if there's an emergency call button on every train- there's really nothing more needed to provide.
This has to do with public sector unions, jobs, and the corruption and lack of management talent at the MTA . We'll never get to 100% automation but the system can be substantially more automated than it currently is.
This is the reality.
If you let MTA and Union heads know that they had to trim 20% of the budget- or they'd all be fired, they'd be able to work through a system.
New Yorkers have yet to demand this.
They need to find out the stances on their elected officials and demand balanced budgets.
The Politicians like to give excuses which the residents of NYS have taken as fact, or they truly believe Unions are completed invincible. The exact opposite- politicians and unions both work for the taxpayers of New York. Don't let them forget it.
Many are reasonably paid well, and they should provide the service that they are paid for.
Public transportation is not a server farm. Two very different thing. If you read what I sasid, it's not about the accident but the response to an accident or major incident. If someone has a heart attack on a train, an automated train is not going to stop and call 911. The train operator has to call for help, and also HOLD the train there until help comes, and until help has taken the person off the train. These decisions cannot be made by computers.
An automated system is less susceptible to liability claims. I'll let you figure out why.
If someone has a heart attack in the last car of the train, how will the conductor or train operator ever know? I was once on a 2-train car where a dude passed out. This was 3am and all of us were pretty sure that he was just drunk. We all literally kept quiet for 6 stops until some fool reached his stop and decided to tell the conductor. There were 3 stops to go until Flatbush Junction.
Even if the system was fully automated (no one is arguing for a fully automated system), instead of alerting the conductor, a passenger would simply call it in via an in-car emergency intercom. The control room would stop the train and call for help. It's the same ****.
The MTA is not pushing harder for automation because it has become a bureaucratic jobs program and political tool not because of liability issues.
an automated system may have prohibited a service rail from hopping on the LIRR line last week causing that vicious accident in New Hyde Park.
Our world wouldn't be where it is today without automation. We're able to lead the lives we do because so many processes have been automated. Not only have they become more efficient but also more reliable.
Our world wouldn't be where it is today without automation. We're able to lead the lives we do because so many processes have been automated. Not only have they become more efficient but also more reliable.
I completely agree. We certainly need staff as well, but the MTA should seek every effort to make the process more efficient, safe, and productive.
That said, the City of New York and the US in general needs to prepare for a smaller workforce, whatever repercussions that may bring. Many New Yorkers do not have the qualifications to make it here without city jobs paying wages far above market value.
There are many jobs that no longer exist in this world due to technology and automation. That's progress.
I somewhat disagree. I would hope the government (and everybody else) tries to minimize the number of jobs required. They should not have more workers than necessary to operate at peak efficiency.
Ok, well governments are operated by people, so they are jobs, right? I don't understand these people who don't want others to have jobs but they have jobs. How does that make any sense? It costs governments more to maintain robots and machines, at the end of the day.
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