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Am here to tell you that Whole Foods offers better quality and is more forthcoming with where their food is sourced. If Whole Foods got a lot of it's products from China and elsewhere like Trader Joe's does, of course Whole Foods would be cheaper.
Can tell you don't have a clue about organic food. Am here to say that organic costs more because more LABOR is necessary. When machines do all of the work and you add TONS of chemicals to food to "preserve" it, well you get cheap prices and underinformed shoppers like Kefir King that fall for silly advertising rhetoric.
There is not enough land on earth to feed everyone organically. It would be environmentally unfriendly.
Pasting on a LABEL and tripling the price does NOT remove the "tons of chemicals" applied in the food chain. All it does is make some dim underinformed shoppers fall for silly advertising rhetoric. Watch all the braying jackasses run to some retailer who starts pasting on "EXTRA ORGANIC" labels.
"There's a sucker born every minute and two to take 'em."
.....attributed to P.T. Barnum.
I know some stuff about organic. NYC sewage sludge could be considered organic fertilizer and yes NYC does sell it's sewage to farmers.
Slaughter houses sell dried blood, ground up bones, ground up feather, hair and skin as fertilizers. Of course all the manures from commercial pig, chicken, etc farms are sold as fertilizers.
All that $hit has to be treated to reduce the risk of disease. Organic farming is not without environmental consequence and in the final analysis I agree with you, don't spend any more money on organic than you would on anything else.
"Fortunately, sewage sludge is not allowed for use on USDA Certified Organic farms. So you can avoid it by buying “certified organic”.
Del Monte asks its growers to “avoid application of sewage sludge and biosolids (as fertilizers)”.
H.J. Heinz, in its Global Good Agricultural Practices Manual for Vendors states “Applications of municipal sewer sludge and/or human sewage sludge are strictly prohibited.”
FUDGING THE “SLUDGING”
Sewage sludge was renamed as biosolids to make it less yukky. It can show up on a label as “compost”, “organic fertilizer” or one of many brand names such as “Nutri-green”. If you don’t see an explanation for a word, even the word “compost”, look the term up and/or contact the company directly to find out for yourself if the ingredient contains sludge."
The US government doesn't really do such a good job of checking to see what fertilizer organic farms are using. They allow for animal by products (including the sludge from indoor pig and chicken farms to be used). Technically one can use sewage as fertilizer and NEVER tell the customer. And though in theory it isn't supposed to be labeled certified organic, there's no real way for the customer to know.
So Kefir, when you use your toilet you maybe indirectly feeding Pierrepont. Interesting something you expel as waste may have nurtured the very good Pierrepont has eaten. City Data recycling.
I know some stuff about organic. NYC sewage sludge could be considered organic fertilizer and yes NYC does sell it's sewage to farmers.
Slaughter houses sell dried blood, ground up bones, ground up feather, hair and skin as fertilizers. Of course all the manures from commercial pig, chicken, etc farms are sold as fertilizers.
All that $hit has to be treated to reduce the risk of disease. Organic farming is not without environmental consequence and in the final analysis I agree with you, don't spend any more money on organic than you would on anything else.
"Fortunately, sewage sludge is not allowed for use on USDA Certified Organic farms. So you can avoid it by buying “certified organic”.
Del Monte asks its growers to “avoid application of sewage sludge and biosolids (as fertilizers)”.
H.J. Heinz, in its Global Good Agricultural Practices Manual for Vendors states “Applications of municipal sewer sludge and/or human sewage sludge are strictly prohibited.”
FUDGING THE “SLUDGING”
Sewage sludge was renamed as biosolids to make it less yukky. It can show up on a label as “compost”, “organic fertilizer” or one of many brand names such as “Nutri-green”. If you don’t see an explanation for a word, even the word “compost”, look the term up and/or contact the company directly to find out for yourself if the ingredient contains sludge."
The US government doesn't really do such a good job of checking to see what fertilizer organic farms are using. They allow for animal by products (including the sludge from indoor pig and chicken farms to be used). Technically one can use sewage as fertilizer and NEVER tell the customer. And though in theory it isn't supposed to be labeled certified organic, there's no real way for the customer to know.
So Kefir, when you use your toilet you maybe indirectly feeding Pierrepont. Interesting something you expel as waste may have nurtured the very good Pierrepont has eaten. City Data recycling.
Feeding organically takes *ACREAGES* of land to feed on. *TONS* of thrown out food can be composted and reused. Land is finite.
Am in agreement (partially). Am here to say that more people than you think could be fed organically. Reduce how much food is thrown away and can assure you this would be a difference maker.
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I know some stuff about organic. NYC sewage sludge could be considered organic fertilizer and yes NYC does sell it's sewage to farmers.
Slaughter houses sell dried blood, ground up bones, ground up feather, hair and skin as fertilizers. Of course all the manures from commercial pig, chicken, etc farms are sold as fertilizers.
All that $hit has to be treated to reduce the risk of disease. Organic farming is not without environmental consequence and in the final analysis I agree with you, don't spend any more money on organic than you would on anything else.
"Fortunately, sewage sludge is not allowed for use on USDA Certified Organic farms. So you can avoid it by buying “certified organic”.
Del Monte asks its growers to “avoid application of sewage sludge and biosolids (as fertilizers)”.
H.J. Heinz, in its Global Good Agricultural Practices Manual for Vendors states “Applications of municipal sewer sludge and/or human sewage sludge are strictly prohibited.”
FUDGING THE “SLUDGING”
Sewage sludge was renamed as biosolids to make it less yukky. It can show up on a label as “compost”, “organic fertilizer” or one of many brand names such as “Nutri-green”. If you don’t see an explanation for a word, even the word “compost”, look the term up and/or contact the company directly to find out for yourself if the ingredient contains sludge."
The US government doesn't really do such a good job of checking to see what fertilizer organic farms are using. They allow for animal by products (including the sludge from indoor pig and chicken farms to be used). Technically one can use sewage as fertilizer and NEVER tell the customer. And though in theory it isn't supposed to be labeled certified organic, there's no real way for the customer to know.
So Kefir, when you use your toilet you maybe indirectly feeding Pierrepont. Interesting something you expel as waste may have nurtured the very good Pierrepont has eaten. City Data recycling.
Am in disagreement. Am here to say that organic farmers undergo strict review procedures. Such behavior could land such a farmer in financial ruins, since profit margins are already slim. Can tell you that organic farmers do so (farm organically) because they believe in growing food the right way, that is without chemicals, pesticides, preservatives and the like.
Am in agreement (partially). Am here to say that more people than you think could be fed organically. Reduce how much food is thrown away and can assure you this would be a difference maker.
Am in disagreement. Am here to say that organic farmers undergo strict review procedures. Such behavior could land such a farmer in financial ruins, since profit margins are already slim. Can tell you that organic farmers do so (farm organically) because they believe in growing food the right way, that is without chemicals, pesticides, preservatives and the like.
"Myth #1: Organic Farms Don't Use Pesticides
When the Soil Association, a major organic accreditation body in the UK, asked consumers why they buy organic food, 95% of them said their top reason was to avoid pesticides. They, like many people, believe that organic farming involves little to no pesticide use. I hate to burst the bubble, but that's simply not true. Organic farming, just like other forms of agriculture, still uses pesticides and fungicides to prevent critters from destroying their crops. Confused?
So was I, when I first learned this from a guy I was dating. His family owns a farm in rural Ohio. He was grumbling about how everyone praised the local organic farms for being so environmentally-conscientious, even though they sprayed their crops with pesticides all the time while his family farm got no credit for being pesticide-free (they're not organic because they use a non-organic herbicide once a year). I didn't believe him at first, so I looked into it: turns out that there are over 20 chemicals commonly used in the growing and processing of organic crops that are approved by the US Organic Standards. And, shockingly, the actual volume usage of pesticides on organic farms is not recorded by the government. Why the government isn't keeping watch on organic pesticide and fungicide use is a damn good question, especially considering that many organic pesticides that are also used by conventional farmers are used more intensively than synthetic ones due to their lower levels of effectiveness. According to the National Center for Food and Agricultural Policy, the top two organic fungicides, copper and sulfur, were used at a rate of 4 and 34 pounds per acre in 1971 1. In contrast, the synthetic fungicides only required a rate of 1.6 lbs per acre, less than half the amount of the organic alternatives."
"What makes organic farming different, then? It's not the use of pesticides, it's the origin of the pesticides used. Organic pesticides are those that are derived from natural sources and processed lightly if at all before use. This is different than the current pesticides used by conventional agriculture, which are generally synthetic. It has been assumed for years that pesticides that occur naturally (in certain plants, for example) are somehow better for us and the environment than those that have been created by man. As more research is done into their toxicity, however, this simply isn't true, either. Many natural pesticides have been found to be potential - or serious - health risks.2
Take the example of Rotenone. Rotenone was widely used in the US as an organic pesticide for decades 3. Because it is natural in origin, occurring in the roots and stems of a small number of subtropical plants, it was considered "safe" as well as "organic". However, research has shown that rotenone is highly dangerous because it kills by attacking mitochondria, the energy powerhouses of all living cells. Research found that exposure to rotenone caused Parkinson's Disease-like symptoms in rats 4, and had the potential to kill many species, including humans. Rotenone's use as a pesticide has already been discontinued in the US as of 2005 due to health concerns***, but shockingly, it's still poured into our waters every year by fisheries management officials as a piscicide to remove unwanted fish species."
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"ome people believe that by not using manufactured chemicals or genetically modified organisms, organic farming produces more nutritious food. However, science simply cannot find any evidence that organic foods are in any way healthier than non-organic ones - and scientists have been comparing the two for over 50 years.
Just recently, an independent research project in the UK systematically reviewed the 162 articles on organic versus non-organic crops published in peer-reviewed journals between 1958 and 2008 11. These contained a total of 3558 comparisons of content of nutrients and other substances in organically and conventionally produced foods. They found absolutely no evidence for any differences in content of over 15 different nutrients including vitamin C, ?-carotene, and calcium. There were some differences, though; conventional crops had higher nitrogen levels, while organic ones had higher phosphorus and acidity - none of which factor in much to nutritional quality. Further analysis of similar studies on livestock products like meat, dairy, and eggs also found few differences in nutritional content. Organic foods did, however, have higher levels of overall fats, particularly trans fats. So if anything, the organic livestock products were found to be worse for us (though, to be fair, barely)."
Organic farming using pesticides, including some extremely toxic pesticides. The difference is these pesticides are either plant derived or bacteria or fungi derived. Doesn't make them not extremely poisonous.
Organic farming, as in certified organic farming, definitely uses the slaughterhouse by products like dried blood, bone meal, ground up feathers, hair, skin, and hooves, and of course all kinds of animal manures.
In your world no... Can feel free to justify buying your cheap preservative loaded food...
While you buy expensive SPOILING food that looks and tastes worse than the same food at a quarter the price.
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