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Old 10-31-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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An interesting look back. I didn't realize that they considered themselves in competition with the NY Press. So sad the way it deteriorated.

https://indypendent.org/2017/09/the-...f-a-newspaper/
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:06 PM
 
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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An interesting look back. I didn't realize that they considered themselves in competition with the NY Press. So sad the way it deteriorated.

https://indypendent.org/2017/09/the-...f-a-newspaper/
Really? I always thought of the VV and the NY Press as pretty similar.
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:47 PM
 
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I thought both of those were terrible newspapers in their twilight years for various reasons, but mostly because as a species humans seem to thrive more on getting their news from self fart-sniffing chambers. One no longer needs a journalism degree, just blow the right person at Gawker media or Shill your ass out to corporate greed via sites like Gothamist. You don't even need to have even the slightest grasp on grammar! (don't pick apart my grammar in this post because I am not one of the people who would ever deliver "news" (whatever that means these days)). We have way more choice these days with what news we consume, but so much of it is really trash, especially how often really crappy things are disguised as content but it's more advertising.

Spend a 100K on a journalism degree to just wind up being a free intern for a website that reports news, but this country is FULL of rich parents that are still doggying their adult children meanwhile driving everyone's rents to unaffordable levels.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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Decline of VV began when they started running all those escort adverts. Things went steadily down hill ever since.


Mind you VV like other newspapers could not foresee the huge threat and then impact posed by Internet.


My parents *always* considered the VV some sort of "pornographic" publication. But when you look back at the journalistic content even late as 1980's and early 1990's the VV was still on top of their game.


Of course for arts, music and other entertainment coverage few NYC newspapers could beat the VV. Especially for jazz and other live music either in the Village/Chelsea area or elsewhere in NYC.
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:13 PM
 
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There was a time when the VV didn't run escort ads?
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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Really? I always thought of the VV and the NY Press as pretty similar.
As best as I can recall, the NYP seemed to lean right, and the VV leaned left, and was more artsy, with more respected writers.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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There was a time when the VV didn't run escort ads?

Village Voice is one of the few newspapers that allows free access to archives. There may have been the random "escort service" adverts back in the day; but nothing like what things became when the VV went whole hog against Screw Magazine.
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Village Voice is one of the few newspapers that allows free access to archives. There may have been the random "escort service" adverts back in the day; but nothing like what things became when the VV went whole hog against Screw Magazine.
VV used to make good money from classified ads in real estate and even for job ads. Craigslist killed off the classified business for all newspapers, and that more than anything killed the Village Voice and many other newspapers.

Honestly Craigslist legacy has been bad for the country as a whole, killing off the viability of legitimate newspapers.
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Old 11-02-2017, 04:27 PM
 
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VV used to make good money from classified ads in real estate and even for job ads. Craigslist killed off the classified business for all newspapers, and that more than anything killed the Village Voice and many other newspapers.

Honestly Craigslist legacy has been bad for the country as a whole, killing off the viability of legitimate newspapers.

Yes, but the point being made is that VV went from a decent enough respectable newspaper, to one known or widely associated with those ads for prostitution.

Village Voice Media (parent company of VV) also owns Backpage; another website/paper that has gone down the toilet due to association with "adult services" adverts.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backpage
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