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Old 12-12-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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I have a few comments in relation to your post.

First: ISIS has killed it's own and here is one example where they killed a group in an attempt to find the one.

https://nypost.com/2016/06/05/isis-i...unt-for-spies/

Second: Psychologically there have been numerous people who committed situations who instead of blaming their own deductive reasoning, take the much easier route to connecting it to someone or something else.

Third: You are correct in stating that it is rhetoric. A majority of Muslims disregard it. But the problem is not the majority, it's the small minority that actually listens to it and accepts it as gospel and a small minority of them who actually act out. In religion there is a statement that a person must read what is written and understand it in it's original language so there is no loss in translation. Most don't/can't. If one wants to find the root of their false teachings, then one must find the original Imam and all the Imams who spread it and neutralize them.
I don't disagree with all you said, but in that case why the heck are we using them as pawns. The day our checks and weapons paid for by us or our allies stop flowing is the day they turn against us. It seems that the people who make these decisions need to step down. If you look at the results from just these last few years we've accomplished nothing politically, but tens of thousands of lives were lost. Assad is still around, Yemen is still a war zone even years after the Saudi shock and awe campaign to crush dissent, and they all hate us just a little bit more over there including some of our so called allies. Well maybe not their govt but the ordinary citizens because they see us as the puppet master.
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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I don't disagree with all you said, but in that case why the heck are we using them as pawns. The day our checks and weapons paid for by us or our allies stop flowing is the day they turn against us. It seems that the people who make these decisions need to step down. If you look at the results from just these last few years we've accomplished nothing politically, but tens of thousands of lives were lost. Assad is still around, Yemen is still a war zone even years after the Saudi shock and awe campaign to crush dissent, and they all hate us just a little bit more over there including some of our so called allies. Well maybe not their govt but the ordinary citizens because they see us as the puppet master.
IMO. The way I see it is that they see the US as the face of their enemy. In my experience in the Middle East their true enemy is done by two countries, France and Britain. These two countries have been doing things out of the sight of the people, thus they are seen as little threat. But that is is slowly changing as viewed by the attacks in those countries. In the US there is so my bureaucracy within the military that any sitting POTUS may not know what's going on. Keep in mind that the lone wolf attacks are rare in the US and EU, thus there are operations being done in the background that the general people don't know about. But the US and EU are seen as soft so attacking civilians is seen as a way to get the most MSM reaction and the least military reaction. Now if we were Russia for example, we would respond brutally so the message goes out that we are the wrong people to even think about attacking. But alas the US keeps on showing itself as a paper tiger.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Years ago I read a book called "I Led 3 Lives".

It describes the FBI's effort to infiltrate Communist cells in the USA which were planning to cause major disruptions on signal from Moscow.

FBI spies were introduced into the terror cells and later swooped in to clean up these rats.

Why couldn't the FBI repeat this by joining the Jihadist terror groups in the US and sweeping them up in one fell blow?

Then put them in a camp to gather more intelligence before executing them for high treason.

The book I mentioned was true and the counterspy was named Herbert Philbrick. The story took place in Massachusetts.
How? Muslims are not receptive of non-muslims into their communities and who would do that? Even good muslims are afraid of cooperating with Americans authorities.

The best thing to do is to limit moles infiltrating the country but unfortunately businesses don't care about national security they are only interested in cheap labor where ever they come from.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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On the local NYC channels, they didn't switch back to regularly scheduled shows that quickly but continued showing the coverage of the bombing until 10-11 AM local time (depending on the channel).



The news reports claim he decided to detonate the bomb near some Christmas posters which indicate that he was anti-Christian which is the largest religious group in the West.
That's a good point, Chava.

After 9/11, coverage from what was going on downtown with the recovery and cleanup went on 24/7 for months in the NYC metro area. A woman I later worked with said she was in Chicago working on 9/11, and two weeks afterward they were barely mentioning it anymore. I think that lack of knowledge and coverage went a long way toward feeding some of the dumber details the conspiracy kids clutch onto.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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How? Muslims are not receptive of non-muslims into their communities and who would do that? Even good muslims are afraid of cooperating with Americans authorities.

The best thing to do is to limit moles infiltrating the country but unfortunately businesses don't care about national security they are only interested in cheap labor where ever they come from.
American interests don't just exist in the US, Americans and their interests are around the world.

The CIA does employ specialists who speak various languages found in the Muslim world, and they do use spies where they can.

Keep in mind just as Americans are of all races and there's no such thing as an American look, Muslims are of all races and there's no such thing as a Muslim look.
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Old 12-12-2017, 03:20 PM
 
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American interests don't just exist in the US, Americans and their interests are around the world.

The CIA does employ specialists who speak various languages found in the Muslim world, and they do use spies where they can.

Keep in mind just as Americans are of all races and there's no such thing as an American look, Muslims are of all races and there's no such thing as a Muslim look.
The key words are "where the can". Knowing how to speak a language is easy. Knowing how to speak that language in certain countries takes practice. Knowing how to speak the dialect needed for certain regions within a country is a challenge. It's not as easy as you think.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Terrorism doesn’t work. If 200 million Arabs could not defeat tiny little Israel, it lets you know how effective any variation of terrorism is in the ultimately. .

Perhaps you are misdefing the terrorists?
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Has anyone seen the video? Crazy stuff

scroll down last 2 videos:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/n...ber-trial.html
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