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Old 12-17-2018, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/15/o...ns-cities.html

Officials in several countries are getting the message: Cities are about people, not cars.
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Old 12-17-2018, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Cars have people in them. It a form of discrimination to single those people out by trying to impede their movements.
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Old 12-18-2018, 05:27 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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They can have Manhattan. Do whatever you want there. Ban all cars for all I care. But Manhattan-centric policies have no place in the other boroughs except maybe parts of Brooklyn.
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Old 12-18-2018, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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They can have Manhattan. Do whatever you want there. Ban all cars for all I care. But Manhattan-centric policies have no place in the other boroughs except maybe parts of Brooklyn.
Amen.

So much of NYC is straight up residential...we need our cars.

What would actually benefit pedestrian safety in most parts of the outer boroughs, would be improving roadway infrastructure for cars. But instead, we're building pedestrian plazas in the middle of Sheepshead Bay Road and putting CitiBike racks up at the cost of 10 parking spots.
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Old 12-18-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: NY
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What cars in New York will look like very soon.

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Old 12-18-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Also, with 80% of New Yorkers living outside of Manhattan, New York is absolutely a car culture city (and I say that as someone who doesn't own or drive a car in NYC, and hates the damn honking things).
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Old 12-18-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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I don't think ya'll are reading (understanding) this article.

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"Many American cities still rely on “level of service” (LOS) design models developed in the 1960s that focus single-mindedly on keeping vehicle traffic moving, ....Hence improvements for other modes (walking, cycling, transit) that might increase vehicle delay are characterized as LOS. impediments. .... The idea of pedestrians as “impediments” is of course perverse, especially given the word’s original meaning: An impediment was something that functioned as a shackle for the feet — unlimited vehicle traffic, say."
I see this happen frequently. A major crossing where I live, for example is very difficult to cross. The light is so short that you have to literally run across the street to get across it. All in the name of moving car traffic. I call it peversely, "the ******* crossing." (as in the video game where frogs try not to get squashed by cars.)

It goes on to talk about the fact that we use up 350 square feet of street space per car, for free in the name of free parking. (even in places where the majority of the residents don't have a car.) The sacrifice is then that there is less room for trees and parks, things that benefit everyone, provide shade, tranquility and fresh oxygen for the pleasure of a small minority.

It's really a tough concept to think about because no one has every questioned the status quo... the amount of resources allocated to a minority population. And then you factor in all the opposition to every other mode of transportation. Bikes, nah, they're a nuisance, HOV lanes, hey, no fair. The deck has always been stacked for motorist and changing ones mind set is hard. Cities should consider the needs of the many, not of the few.
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:02 PM
 
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Also, with 80% of New Yorkers living outside of Manhattan, New York is absolutely a car culture city (and I say that as someone who doesn't own or drive a car in NYC, and hates the damn honking things).
80% is a stretch. North Brooklyn and the West Bronx are not autocentric either.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:53 PM
 
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I don't think ya'll are reading (understanding) this article.



I see this happen frequently. A major crossing where I live, for example is very difficult to cross. The light is so short that you have to literally run across the street to get across it. All in the name of moving car traffic. I call it peversely, "the ******* crossing." (as in the video game where frogs try not to get squashed by cars.)

It goes on to talk about the fact that we use up 350 square feet of street space per car, for free in the name of free parking. (even in places where the majority of the residents don't have a car.) The sacrifice is then that there is less room for trees and parks, things that benefit everyone, provide shade, tranquility and fresh oxygen for the pleasure of a small minority.

It's really a tough concept to think about because no one has every questioned the status quo... the amount of resources allocated to a minority population. And then you factor in all the opposition to every other mode of transportation. Bikes, nah, they're a nuisance, HOV lanes, hey, no fair. The deck has always been stacked for motorist and changing ones mind set is hard. Cities should consider the needs of the many, not of the few.

Where I live, they've taken away more and more spots. And it ends up being empty street space. Whoop.

I've seen the horrible ways they've tried to redirect cars and traffic. What a joke. One area they must have messed with countless times. And the things they have done by me have added traffic, not kept it moving.

I have a lot of trees where I live. Places that do not have a lot of trees tend to not have them in general---let's start with getting some more where everyone else has them, which is in/on the sidewalks. This is very neighborhood dependent, as I have walked throughout Brooklyn and it is very apparent.

They will always keep cars around---they make the city TONS of money. Registrations, tolls, tickets, etc.

Let's not act like barely anyone owns a car or that it's a "small minority"---approximately 45% of households own a car in NYC. (Obviously you can break that down further by borough.)

The one thing I do wish the city did was control the amount of "professional drivers." But that's also what happens when you have so many people who don't own cars---there are WAY too many TLC, Uber, Lyft, etc. out there---sometimes that is all you see.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:27 AM
 
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Will commercial vehicles still be allowed? A lot of people own businesses that are dependent on their cars.
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