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Old 05-09-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Profiling works. It is just good police methodology.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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Profiling works. It is just good police methodology.
the city spent more than 1 billion on payouts. 228 million from the NYPD. I guess it worked but at a large cost...


https://nypost.com/2017/10/22/city-s...wsuit-payouts/
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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In twenty years there won’t be any issue, when poor minorities with high probability of committing crime have either left the city or are regulated to living in the outskirts of the city.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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If I was a cop, I would not want to arrest a person of color due to fear of being called a racist.
Not because of "fear", but simple disinterest. I left where I was working specifically for this reason. Not worth the risk. Do your job perfectly and still end up on the wrong side of the racialists. lol, why bother?

Now I patrol basically where I live, make the same amount of money (actually more), and as a side benefit I can stop in for food from any of the numerous friends and family who live here. What's better than that?
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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While we all talk about racism, sexism, homophobia, LGBT, issues in this country. No one talks about real issues such as income inequality and class. The war on class is over. The left abandoned the class war because no money can be made from class. Even with unemployment is low and Buffonary trump boast how he is responsible for low number of black unemployment. But when I step outside and turn the corner, I see 20 unemployed black men standing in front of the corner or the deli. That is alot. Any way class war is over because people can not be victimized because of their class or position in life. Who would you want to protest and have them fired from their job. Protest sexual harassment issue on the job, protest a racist on the, or protest against someone for making snarky remarks against the poor. It's obvious the 1st two scenarios are the most sensitive and divisive.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:21 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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While we all talk about racism, sexism, homophobia, LGBT, issues in this country. No one talks about real issues such as income inequality and class. The war on class is over. The left abandoned the class war because no money can be made from class. Even with unemployment is low and Buffonary trump boast how he is responsible for low number of black unemployment. But when I step outside and turn the corner, I see 20 unemployed black men standing in front of the corner or the deli. That is alot. Any way class war is over because people can not be victimized because of their class or position in life. Who would you want to protest and have them fired from their job. Protest sexual harassment issue on the job, protest a racist on the, or protest against someone for making snarky remarks against the poor. It's obvious the 1st two scenarios are the most sensitive and divisive.
Well who's fault is that? At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. "Gubment" can't do everything for everybody. I don't deny racism because it definitely is still alive and well, but some people are lazy and just want to blame others for their lack of drive to better themselves.
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria & NYC
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You put too much emphasis on victimization. Let me redpill you lovely.
You can't redpill me while occupying a state of ignorance.

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You see the white liberal in nyc is not friends of black people. When black people do something, mainly black men, the white liberal is not looking out for him, but instead punishing him for what he did was wrong. Same for the feminist, and the hypocritical pro black female like wise who see eye to with with white liberals. The reason why black men are arrested to a high degree is due to the fact their is a lack of legal active economic opportunity amongst black men in nyc. Why is this? The liberal system in nyc, time and time again fails black men. Also black men fail out of the nyc liberal system. Eric Gardner for example would have never died the way he did by the police if the system did not have fail him. Homes for example needs to be headed by two parent households. To many black households are headed by a single parent mainly black woman who is employed, but does not have additional time resources to help out her boys. Yes sometimes uncles, grand fathers, and positive role models fill in the voids of fatherless black nyc households. However to many slip through the cracks.
Let me redpill you. The white liberal and conservative are actually two sides of the same coin.

Liberal and conservative systems fail black people, because both systems were never intended to create any meaningful change. I proposed in another thread that it would be far more effective for the U.S. government to set aside small business grants, specifically for black Americans, who have an interest in creating small businesses in economically depressed minority communities. It's a fact that small businesses employ more people overall, than corporations. Dealing directly with the black unemployment rate, would essentially result in lower crime and more stable black households.

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If the government fixed the hood. We as a society will see lots of unemployment due to police officers, teachers, social workers, pharmacist welfare human resources offices will be out of work and the hood will have no need for them.
The government and think tank policy wonks already know that funding black owned businesses in economically depressed neighborhoods would bolster the lackluster black unemployment rate, and directly contribute to more stable black households.

As an aside, I don't believe the "power brokers" of this society, necessarily care about social service or any other jobs for that matter. Law enforcement and social service programs are only important to the 1%, as far as those systems having effective control over the population. For example, drug addicts and alcoholics, more often than not, don't have the ability to truly act in their own best interest, therefore, others (particularly government) is essentially able to take charge, via the social service program and law enforcement policies (shaped by the 1%'s various think tanks, foundations, government agencies, etc).

Ever wonder why there's usually a liquor store in every minority neighborhood and wine/spirits stores or bars in every white area?

Smart people figure out early on what the systematic traps are and effectively ensure they avoid those traps, while progressing through this game called life.


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How can we fix nyc black men from being arrested? It's a hard task to do. If I was a cop, I would not want to arrest a person of color due to fear of being called a racist. This is the only country on earth where people are labeled as racist and folks try to destroy ones lives for it, while trying to protect civility for all others included those of the unrepresented.
It's not a hard task for the government to provide small business grants to black entrepreneurs who have an interest in creating businesses which service the needs of impoverished black communities and employ people from the community, who are interested in working.

Clearly, the government won't provide such funds; therefore, the onus will fall directly on savvy, financially secure and like minded black people to pool their resources together to help fund black businesses in low income black neighborhoods. The problem is, very few black people (particularly black men), are interested in leading the way and truly building black neighborhoods.

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The white liberal and the white conservative believe in justice and will see to it that if a black man does wrong be will be arrested and off to prison he goes. Also pro black females are hypocrites. How can you protest for black men, but when it's all said and done, you are with your white boyfriend or husband, Hispanic boyfriend, or light skinned or mixed race black boyfriends, but on the flip side, the pro black woman or man is not with a victimized person of color.
Actually, both, the white liberal and the white conservative do not truly believe in justice. What they believe in is profiting off of poor people's ignorance and misfortune. Both groups rarely punish their own, or others from the same racial and economic class. But they most certainly will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, minorities (particularly black people).

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With that said, the video in informative, but other issues are involved on why black men in nyc face high arrests. I remember here in mott haven. Blacks make up 1/3 of the population, but commits double the crime than Hispanics who are the majority. This shouldn't be.
"Hispanic" is not a race, it's an ethnic group. I'm not sure if you realize this, but when a person who is black (regardless of where they are from) commits a crime, his or her race is recorded as "black." For this reason, I seriously doubt the bolded claim.
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria & NYC
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While we all talk about racism, sexism, homophobia, LGBT, issues in this country. No one talks about real issues such as income inequality and class. The war on class is over. The left abandoned the class war because no money can be made from class. Even with unemployment is low and Buffonary trump boast how he is responsible for low number of black unemployment. But when I step outside and turn the corner, I see 20 unemployed black men standing in front of the corner or the deli. That is alot. Any way class war is over because people can not be victimized because of their class or position in life. Who would you want to protest and have them fired from their job. Protest sexual harassment issue on the job, protest a racist on the, or protest against someone for making snarky remarks against the poor. It's obvious the 1st two scenarios are the most sensitive and divisive.

All of what you've mentioned above in your first sentence are nothing more than "wedge" issues, that were actually created by the 1%, to ensure that the collective (i.e. population) will never be able to effectively address income inequality and class. If the 1% allowed people to focus on economic inequality, they would lose out, because instead of us arguing about race/skin color, borders and sexual orientation, people would be able to come together to collectively dismantle the current system in place and replace it with one which is more equitable.

I definitely speak about racial inequality and other issues, but I'm very much aware that those particular wedge issues were created, as a mechanism to keep the current economic systems operating...
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria & NYC
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In twenty years there won’t be any issue, when poor minorities with high probability of committing crime have either left the city or are regulated to living in the outskirts of the city.
The city will ensure that low income people remain, until the corporate chains (who hire low income wage earners) are able to automate those positions. Once that happens, the project buildings and section 8 programs will be relegated to rural areas.

As an aside, you do realize that poor people are not the only group who commit crimes? People often talk about those who rob stores or other people, but turn a blind eye to the trillion dollar robbery committed by bankers.

I "over"stand.

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Old 05-09-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria & NYC
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Well who's fault is that? At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. "Gubment" can't do everything for everybody. I don't deny racism because it definitely is still alive and well, but some people are lazy and just want to blame others for their lack of drive to better themselves.
The government is not the answer, but they certainly will act, and provide funding to carry out certain programs or initiatives to move their larger agenda forward. https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whi...Highlights.pdf
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