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I think it’s a combination of that and how more tightly packed the blocks seem to be on average in Bushwick than in Bed-Stuy which usually have longer blocks and more of a setback from the streets from the front of the buildings (and where those hallmark stoops are laid).
That makes sense. So the 2 story rowhomes tend to be 2 family, and the 3 story ones tend to be 3 family?
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Also add in the mixed use aspect of Bushwick. Commercial and residential districts are more integrated. So you have more people from different blocks on other peoples blocks over the course of the day than you'd find in Bed-Stuy.
Bushwick definitely has the better layout of the two
Also add in the mixed use aspect of Bushwick. Commercial and residential districts are more integrated. So you have more people from different blocks on other peoples blocks over the course of the day than you'd find in Bed-Stuy.
Yea, that’s a good point and certainly the density of Bushwick especially the density of the parts that aren’t industrial really plays into that as a greater density generally means you can have more economically viable businesses.
I think that with the usually smaller block sizes really help Bushwick on those terms. One other factor I’ve been thinking about after a trip to Chicago earlier in the year is how streets that break up the grid and allows for shortcuts as well as make parts of the neighbornood have even smaller blocks and another main throughfare for commercial density might make a difference. I saw how Milwaukee in northwestern Chicago cuts through the grid system in Chicago and runs through some of Chicago’s most vibrant neighborhoods. Myrtle Avenue somewhat takes on that role in Bushwick.
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That makes sense. So the 2 story rowhomes tend to be 2 family, and the 3 story ones tend to be 3 family?
Bushwick definitely has the better layout of the two
Not sure about how the overall use patterns of Bed-Stuy brownstones are broken up, but I personally know three families that bought Bed-Stuy brownstones over the last several years and all three converted their buildings into basically single family homes with the ground/basement garden unit rented out.
I think Bushwick’s layout with smaller average blocks, less setback on the street level and a diagonal to the grid main thoroughfare is more conducive to more active streets relative to Bed-Stuy, but Bed-Stuy is still pretty bustling (it’s still Brooklyn and very densely populated after all). I favor Bed-Stuy personally for living in, but of course not everyone has the same preferences, so I can understand why someone would prefer one over the other.
I just generally like them both. If there was ever the funding for it, I’d be curious about what might make sense for an underground routing and extension of the Franklin Avenue shuttle into a full line extending from the Bed-Stuy terminus to Bushwick and beyond.
The big fallback of Bed-Stuy is how the high density sections happen to be massive housing project complexes. Bushwick really doesn't have any, and the ones they have tend to be far removed from the center of the neighborhood.
Bed stuy has Tompkins, Brevoort and Marcy for their biggest projects. There are smaller nycha buildings, but density wise it’s small, usually no more than a 4 story in size. Bed stuy is expansionally larger than Bushwick. They should just demolish those buildings as it’s a complete waste of land building so low and build more affordable housing.
The area by Marcy is pretty much already in the gentrified stages being close to Bushwick and Williamsburg.
Even by Gates Avenue, the Stuyvesant garden apartments. Gentrifiers just don’t care.
People are going to shocked when that census comes out. I was on Fulton st. By Franklin and walked all the way to Utica/Malcolm X Blvd. Never thought I would see anything but African braiding shops and nail salons on that corridor. There are two newly opened bars, Thai restaurant, tons of coffee shops, bicycle shop. Bed stuy took longer than Bushwick to catch on but it’s happening.
And if nobody has ever been to Nando’s in London check out Peri Peri Grill House on Malcolm X. Black owned restaurant, best grilled wings ever. And the Ramen shop is pretty good near by as well
How much does one of those 6 family buildings go for on average in Bushwick?
It all depends on the tenant situation. If empty you can make it a 3 family with awesome flats, or turn it into a condo conversion, etc... Lots of options one can do with them. My favorite are the Matthew Flats in Ridgewood. IMO, a much better investment than a Bed-Stuy brownstone. Heck, comparing it to that $3.3m in Bed-Stuy, you can likewise make it a one family and have space for an ice-skating ring and bowling alley on the ground floor.
Yea, that’s a good point and certainly the density of Bushwick especially the density of the parts that aren’t industrial really plays into that as a greater density generally means you can have more economically viable businesses.
I think that with the usually smaller block sizes really help Bushwick on those terms. One other factor I’ve been thinking about after a trip to Chicago earlier in the year is how streets that break up the grid and allows for shortcuts as well as make parts of the neighbornood have even smaller blocks and another main throughfare for commercial density might make a difference. I saw how Milwaukee in northwestern Chicago cuts through the grid system in Chicago and runs through some of Chicago’s most vibrant neighborhoods. Myrtle Avenue somewhat takes on that role in Bushwick.
Not sure about how the overall use patterns of Bed-Stuy brownstones are broken up, but I personally know three families that bought Bed-Stuy brownstones over the last several years and all three converted their buildings into basically single family homes with the ground/basement garden unit rented out.
I think Bushwick’s layout with smaller average blocks, less setback on the street level and a diagonal to the grid main thoroughfare is more conducive to more active streets relative to Bed-Stuy, but Bed-Stuy is still pretty bustling (it’s still Brooklyn and very densely populated after all). I favor Bed-Stuy personally for living in, but of course not everyone has the same preferences, so I can understand why someone would prefer one over the other.
I just generally like them both. If there was ever the funding for it, I’d be curious about what might make sense for an underground routing and extension of the Franklin Avenue shuttle into a full line extending from the Bed-Stuy terminus to Bushwick and beyond.
I never been to Chicago, but I think I get your point about Myrtle ave. It creates an oddity to the usual street grid providing various cut through options for the pedestrian.
And regarding small block size, Ridgewood's are even smaller than Bushwick's.
Bed stuy has Tompkins, Brevoort and Marcy for their biggest projects. There are smaller nycha buildings, but density wise it’s small, usually no more than a 4 story in size. Bed stuy is expansionally larger than Bushwick. They should just demolish those buildings as it’s a complete waste of land building so low and build more affordable housing.
The area by Marcy is pretty much already in the gentrified stages being close to Bushwick and Williamsburg.
Even by Gates Avenue, the Stuyvesant garden apartments. Gentrifiers just don’t care.
People are going to shocked when that census comes out. I was on Fulton st. By Franklin and walked all the way to Utica/Malcolm X Blvd. Never thought I would see anything but African braiding shops and nail salons on that corridor. There are two newly opened bars, Thai restaurant, tons of coffee shops, bicycle shop. Bed stuy took longer than Bushwick to catch on but it’s happening.
And if nobody has ever been to Nando’s in London check out Peri Peri Grill House on Malcolm X. Black owned restaurant, best grilled wings ever. And the Ramen shop is pretty good near by as well
Regarding Bed-Stuy being expansionally larger than Bushwick, that is why I keep reiterating that you have to include Ridgewood with Bushwick for there to be a fair comparison.
I never been to Chicago, but I think I get your point about Myrtle ave. It creates an oddity to the usual street grid providing various cut through options for the pedestrian.
And regarding small block size, Ridgewood's are even smaller than Bushwick's.
Yea, I like Ridgewood a lot. It was one of the places we were thinking of buying a home in.
Does it seem accurate to say that Ridgewood has a larger composition of two stories and a basement buildings than Bushwick does (and Bushwick has a larger composition of three stories and up)?
Yea, I like Ridgewood a lot. It was one of the places we were thinking of buying a home in.
Does it seem accurate to say that Ridgewood has a larger composition of two stories and a basement buildings than Bushwick does (and Bushwick has a larger composition of three stories and up)?
It really all depends on the block, but in general, yes. Both neighborhoods have similiar architecture, just that Ridgewood has a higher concentration of the 2 and 3 family dwellings, and Bushwick the 4 and 6 family dwellings. But both have both. Ridgewood is basically a nicer Bushwick. Less vinyl in Ridgewood as it was mostly built after a fire code change that required brick. Ridgewood is known for their brick barrel front rowhouses. You'll find them in Bushwick also, just not as plentiful. Best thing about Ridgewood and Bushwick is how it straddles the Brooklyn Queens border, so you have easy access to the best of both worlds.
It really all depends on the block, but in general, yes. Both neighborhoods have similiar architecture, just that Ridgewood has a higher concentration of the 2 and 3 family dwellings, and Bushwick the 4 and 6 family dwellings. But both have both. Ridgewood is basically a nicer Bushwick. Less vinyl in Ridgewood as it was mostly built after a fire code change that required brick. Ridgewood is known for their brick barrel front rowhouses. You'll find them in Bushwick also, just not as plentiful. Best thing about Ridgewood and Bushwick is how it straddles the Brooklyn Queens border, so you have easy access to the best of both worlds.
I visited Ridgewood once - it is really cute, architecture-wise.
What is the main street like there though? (cafes, restaurants, shops, etc.)
It did seem nicer than Bushwick to me.
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