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How is it that even as a teenager I could afford my Metrocard, but these people can't? I worked summer jobs to put money in my pocket for things that I wanted. I don't think that the poor should lay their problems on everyone else. Our tax dollars would be better spent quite frankly.
This is why this program is a waste. $106 million to give Metrocards to people that still won't pay the fare.
I say make public transportation free
We'll get the money back from the weed
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Oh, for heaven's sake. This is just idiocy. I earn in the six figures and I am infinitely better off than someone earning less than $12,000/yr here (which I believe is the cutoff for a one-person household). A family of four has to be earning less than $24,000/yr to qualify. People who begrudge such people reduced-fare Metrocards have got problems. Not just in the heart, but in the head--you want those folks to work, you have to make it possible for them to get there!
Yea, pretty much.
That being said, I think this is better if it comes with better enforcement of fare evasion.
"These people cannot work more than one job because they have *children*. Well again am sorry about that; but it isn't society's place to reward poor life choices."
You think it's society's place to punish kids for their parents' alleged bad judgment? Or is it you think that it will definitely be good for society to either have those kids go hungry or have their upbringing neglected because their caregiver is also working 60 hours a week, because that will definitely lead to their growing up to be successful, contributing adults? Can't you even do the math on the practical aspect?
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Originally Posted by randomperson2
Oh, for heaven's sake. This is just idiocy. I earn in the six figures and I am infinitely better off than someone earning less than $12,000/yr here (which I believe is the cutoff for a one-person household). A family of four has to be earning less than $24,000/yr to qualify. People who begrudge such people reduced-fare Metrocards have got problems. Not just in the heart, but in the head--you want those folks to work, you have to make it possible for them to get there!
I REALLY don't understand what people don't get about this. If you people HATE the poor as much as it seems like you do, maybe support policies that go a long way towards eradicating the contributing factors to poverty?
People so wrapped up in the American myth of hard work and personal responsibility that they punish children and historically oppressed communities, and just cause more generations of poverty. If we would ever take seriously the responsibility of eradicating our permanent underclass (that this country created through ****ty, and/or discriminatory policy), we wouldn't have all of these issues, at this scale.
But instead, we have too significant a portion of the population that doesn't seem to understand the basics of the social contract.. so the most we can ever get through are piecemeal bull**** policies that only stand to perpetuate the problems, and self fulfill the prophecies of those against the idea of helping people in the first place.
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Originally Posted by pierrepont7731
How is it that even as a teenager I could afford my Metrocard, but these people can't? I worked summer jobs to put money in my pocket for things that I wanted. I don't think that the poor should lay their problems on everyone else. Our tax dollars would be better spent quite frankly.
This is why this program is a waste. $106 million to give Metrocards to people that still won't pay the fare.
Probably because "even as a teenager" you had your parents covering the actually important expenses, so your little metrocard was a small expense for you.
When you're paying rent, ConEd, buying food, etc.. the metrocard becomes a significant expense.
Probably because "even as a teenager" you had your parents covering the actually important expenses, so your little metrocard was a small expense for you.
When you're paying rent, ConEd, buying food, etc.. the metrocard becomes a significant expense.
No, it's called learning responsibility and paying your own way. I got it as a teenager. I wanted to buy things for myself, so I worked and got them. When I became an adult my parents didn't pay for my expenses. Once I graduated, that was it. I got a job, saved up and got my own place, so no sympathy from me. If these people were raised right and taught the value of hard work and independence, they wouldn't constantly have their hand out.
No, it's called learning responsibility and paying your own way. I got it as a teenager. I wanted to buy things for myself, so I worked and got them. When I became an adult my parents didn't pay for my expenses. Once I graduated, that was it. I got a job, saved up and got my own place, so no sympathy from me. If these people were raised right and taught the value of hard work and independence, they wouldn't constantly have their hand out.
I think the other poster was making the distinction of what you did, which is wonderful, and greater family expenses that your parents incurred in trying to run a household such as housing, groceries, medical expenses, etc. I think ramping up kids to start paying for their own things is generally a great idea, but a household that has issues paying for all the basics is different in many ways.
I think the other poster was making the distinction of what you did, which is wonderful, and greater family expenses that your parents incurred in trying to run a household such as housing, groceries, medical expenses, etc. I think ramping up kids to start paying for their own things is generally a great idea, but a household that has issues paying for all the basics is different in many ways.
Of course it is, but when does it end? I have expenses too, lots of them, but I don't put my hand out looking for the City to take care of my own responsibilities. This is what I have a problem with. Too many people look for others to take care of them instead of them taking care of themselves.
What if we all did that? Where would this City be? I use the example of Germany years ago. When the Socialist government was in power, you had TONS of people on welfare. The attitude was why work? We can have the government take care of us!! The country suffered as a whole because so many people had their hands out taking instead of contributing and working. There is a watchdog group out there now calling for de Blasio to stop spending like a drunken sailor. He is throwing money at this and that... Homelessness... He's spent hundreds of millions of dollars and we still have a crisis. This is waste on another level. If we were spending money and actually addressing the issues that we face, then maybe I wouldn't be as critical, but when you look at how much he's increased spending since he's become mayor (almost 30%) with very little to show for it, it's mind boggling how anyone can agree with what's going on.
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