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Old 02-15-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/greg-d...evastating-lic
Business leaders see Amazon's change of course as devastating for LIC
And they plan to hold the political opponents accountable
GREG DAVID
February 14, 2019
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Dr. Angelo Ippolito, a chiropractor in LIC for 18 years, went to the first anti-Amazon rally and didn’t recognize a single person there. He said 95% of his patients support Amazon.
It was the same story at the Community Church of Astoria, Pastor Corwin Mason said his congregation had been almost unanimously behind the company's arrival because of the opportunities it would have brought. It isn’t a surprise since Mason is African-American, a group that backed Amazon 70% to 25%.

"It’s a great thing for LIC," Ippolito said just two hours before news broke of Amazon's reversal. "I have watched the development here since 2001, this would be the ultimate achievement as far as making Long Island City a business location."
Cerbone said that despite the growth in the neighborhood, there simply isn’t enough business activity to sustain the many small businesses like hers. "We need the foot traffic," she said.

 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Well it's not up to what you personally think anyone else deserves or needs, until such time as you create and control the business in question.

Amazon made clear in their search criteria that there are a number of factors involved in their decision. Just because tax incentives are not the ONLY factor does not mean that they are A factor. It's a balance of all the factors and no tax incentives at all might have tipped the balance away from NYC.
If what you said was true why didn't Amazon picked other cities with greater tax breaks? They clearly wanted NYC in the early running. Couple of cities doubled their tax incentives and didn't get it. Atlanta had 5 billion tax breaks and huge land for them to use with better infrastructure. Amazon didn't care and went to nearby Virginia instead. Clearly they wanted something other than just tax breaks.

None of what you said matters anymore because they pulled out because local elected officials and local people petitioning to get Amazon deal nixed. I think Democracy worked here.

None of us here has a right to say or dictate about the Amazon deal other than Amazon and people of LIC.

Cuomo and deBlasio both bypassed a city deal confirmation hearing process and okay the deal because they knew the opponents of the deal was gonna denounce it at the hearing. That is clearly a blatant disregard of democratic process.
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Cuomo and deBlasio both bypassed a city deal confirmation hearing process and okay the deal because they knew the opponents of the deal was gonna denounce it at the hearing. That is clearly a blatant disregard of democratic process.
Local community board hearings are complete bullsh|t. It's just a a bunch of busy body NIMBYs with no lives and nothing better to do than throw obstacles in front of everything that changes their neighborhood in the least. That is mob democracy the framers warned about and why they founded the United States as a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. Our democratic process involves the election of politicians to make decisions, not micromanaging hoards of raving left wing lunatics
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Cuomo and deBlasio both bypassed a city deal confirmation hearing process and okay the deal because they knew the opponents of the deal was gonna denounce it at the hearing. That is clearly a blatant disregard of democratic process.
Cuomo and DeBlasio are both elected officials tasked with exactly this. They are the democratically elected decision makers for big strategic stuff like this. What does a photographer living in one of those 80/20 affordable housing schemes knows about FY 2020 state budget process? Local hearings are for small stuff like bike lanes, building heights, color of traffic lights, flowers on the sidewalk, garden sheds, and other bs, not this.
The local pols were just upset they were not part of the deal, so they didn't get the 'credit' for it.
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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I'd now like to see Amazon thumb it's nose at NYC/S by cutting a deal with NJ and building a campus in Jersey City. They can have about the same proximity to Manhattan, and NYC wouldn't get a dime of tax money from them.
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:46 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I'd now like to see Amazon thumb it's nose at NYC/S by cutting a deal with NJ and building a campus in Jersey City. They can have about the same proximity to Manhattan, and NYC wouldn't get a dime of tax money from them.
I think they wanted a part of NYC all along if the conditions were right. Push came to shove and the conditions deteriorated to the point where the headache was not worth it. The rest of the national search was completely legitimate, and N. Virginia was perfect with the suburban / DC-urban blend and proximity to decision makers. Amazon originally wasn't going to split HQ2, now they won't have to, everything is moving to Virginia
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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Cuomo and DeBlasio are both elected officials tasked with exactly this. They are the democratically elected decision makers for big strategic stuff like this. What does a photographer living in one of those 80/20 affordable housing schemes knows about FY 2020 state budget process? Local hearings are for small stuff like bike lanes, building heights, color of traffic lights, flowers on the sidewalk, garden sheds, and other bs, not this.
The local pols were just upset they were not part of the deal, so they didn't get the 'credit' for it.

That completely sums it up. A couple cry baby politicians who have lived the majority of their lives living off the Gov't teat had their egos bruised and we all have to pay for it.
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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I'd now like to see Amazon thumb it's nose at NYC/S by cutting a deal with NJ and building a campus in Jersey City. They can have about the same proximity to Manhattan, and NYC wouldn't get a dime of tax money from them.
I have always wondered this. Why did NJ not suggest Jersey City? For some odd reason Christie decided that NJ is going to suggest only one place and that was Newark.

Right across the Hudson, Jersey City would have been a viable competitor to LIC. Perhaps its still not too late for NJ to go back and suggest Jersey City waterfront. Anyway banks are shrinking and perhaps they will move out of the buildings on the JC waterfront just like Citi is moving out of LIC.
 
Old 02-15-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I have always wondered this. Why did NJ not suggest Jersey City?
Because revitalization of Newark is a longstanding priority for the State of New Jersey. They would rather build up a large independent city rather than just keep growing NYC's sloppy seconds. Not that they don't like JC, it's a priority thing since JC is doing very well already
 
Old 02-15-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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Default NY Transplants.

If NY could do anything right, we wouldn’t have the infestation of NY transplants in the Carolinas. Believe me when I say we are your best cheerleader. Your ship of fools leadership continuously fails you. Nobody in their right mind would run a business there. Get it together and keep your obnoxious population where it belongs. No Bagels, Pizza, or Deli’s here anyway. Good luck, you’ll need it.
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