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Old 06-18-2021, 07:49 PM
 
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Score another one for woke progressives who fought to keep that barn of a place open.

What remains to be seen is what Mount Sinai's plan B looks like.

They've moved or shut down many services in planning to downsize and redevelop that hospital. And in the end they still are stuck with a large hospital that is old, outdated, and not very efficient to run. Oh and the same major problems with patient mix will remain same; if they cannot get enough well paying/insured patients to use that place, it will continue bleeding red ink.

Jewish persons with money tend to prefer NYU-Langone which is just several blocks north. Gentile area residents either do same, or go with NYP system.


https://nypost.com/2021/06/15/citing...wnsizing-plan/

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...zing-plan.html
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Old 06-18-2021, 11:12 PM
 
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The pandemic has shown that maintaining some reserve capacity of beds is a good idea. Subsidize it if necessary.
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Old 06-18-2021, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York, United States
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https://www.thecity.nyc/brooklyn/202...tting-patients

Meanwhile in Brooklyn, these same types of activists were not as successful.
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:15 AM
 
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Meanwhile in Brooklyn, these same types of activists were not as successful.
Kingsbrook was different. It was one of several struggling private hospitals (as in not affliated with a larger healthcare network like NYU-Langone, NYP, Northwell), which include Interfaith and Brookdale. Those places have been bleeding red ink for decades, it was only state and or federal money that kept them open, and at some point Albany simply said "enough".


Everything you need to know is right here:

"“Kingsbrook is what is known as a ‘sanctuary hospital’ — it overwhelmingly serves working-class people on Medicaid and Medicare who need access to convenient and capable health care – now more than ever,” she said."

https://bkreader.com/2021/06/02/king...east-flatbush/

Not just in NYC, but across the country safety net, charity, and hospitals of last resort are closing down. No hospital today can run on revenue generated largely from Medicare and Medicaid. Worse local community simply doesn't have enough people with high incomes and or good to great insurance coverage that will pay.

Mount Sinai is a well funded private large healthcare network with a decent payer mix overall for their Manhattan hospitals. They also have an expansive network of clinics, doctors offices and other community based healthcare including a few LGBT healthcare places. IIRC they are also the only hospital in city that does transgender services.

Saving Beth Israel from being demolished and rebuilt as a smaller hospital is all very well. But no one knows yet exactly just what services or whatever will continued to be offered at that East Village campus.

Mount Sinai has a vast and extensive healthcare network, and not every hospital needs to be full service.

https://www.mountsinai.org/locations

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Old 06-19-2021, 12:38 AM
 
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Bottom line is healthcare in New York (especially the city) is like everything else such as rental housing; those that have pay more so those that don't can get. It's all a part of New York's welfare state mentality that pushes those who earn to carry those that don't.

For decades state would simply pour taxpayer money into struggling hospitals to keep them afloat. This despite study after study saying city had too many hospital beds and things needed to downsize.

Saint Vincent's was first salvo over bow. When that place (also by then largely deemed a charity/hospital of last resort) closed it sent shock waves through New York's healthcare industry.

Lenox Hill jumped into bed with North Shore-Long Island Jewish. NYU-Langone teamed up with developers to make a play for Long Island College Hospital, and so it goes.

Large problem (if you want to call it that), with healthcare in Brooklyn is a good number of residents no not and will not get healthcare in that borough. They either go into Manhattan or out to Long Island. Some in south Brooklyn like Bayridge will go to Staten Island, others to maybe Queens or Long Island.
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Old 06-19-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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You act like St Vincent's was the first hospital to close in NYC ever
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Old 06-19-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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.https://newyork.resiliencesystem.org...tal%20237%20St.


Look at all these closed hospitals over the years.
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Old 06-19-2021, 04:28 PM
 
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You act like St Vincent's was the first hospital to close in NYC ever
For your information there is no longer a full service hospital on west side below 58th street (where ever St. Luke's is located on UWS), until you get down to FiDI (NYP-Beekman).

Just so you also know St. Vincent's hospital served nearly every single major disaster that hit city, from Triangle Shirtwaist fire right up to 9/11/01. It was a major teaching hospital that developed numerous treatments and protocols that are still used by hospitals all over country. This includes major research and advances in treatment of HIV/AIDs back when no one else wanted to bother.
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Old 06-19-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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For your information there is no longer a full service hospital on west side below 58th street (where ever St. Luke's is located on UWS), until you get down to FiDI (NYP-Beekman).

Just so you also know St. Vincent's hospital served nearly every single major disaster that hit city, from Triangle Shirtwaist fire right up to 9/11/01. It was a major teaching hospital that developed numerous treatments and protocols that are still used by hospitals all over country. This includes major research and advances in treatment of HIV/AIDs back when no one else wanted to bother.

There are almost no gas stations in that area either.
People will adjust.
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Old 06-19-2021, 05:03 PM
 
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There are almost no gas stations in that area either.
People will adjust.
Vast majority of Manhattan residents do not drive. OTOH sooner or later every single GD human being will need healthcare of some sort.

But hey, don't worry. If you or yours get hit by a car, have a coronary event or otherwise need healthcare down there just hang on until can get uptown or to east side.
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