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I’ll pass easily on Florida except for maybe some areas of Miami or around Sanibel Island. Florida is full of way too much sprawl, weak zoning laws, a lack of culture and willfully ignorant people.
We have done about 30 winters, with three-months' stay per year, and that is enough for us.....everything you stated in here is SO TRUE.......we have been NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST...... and if you go to a hospital - emergency room because you have a pain in one tooth, they will remove your tonsils and possibly your tongue.....but never the tooth " weak zoning laws, a lack of culture, and willfully ignorant people." YES, YES, and YES..... !!!!!!!!
When that gets asked, what are the places people usually suggest?
There is no simple answer to that. We have a Sticky at the top of the page with questions that we ask people to answer. Budget, priorities (such as needing good schools or wanting closer access to beaches) WHERE in NYC ones works--getting to downtown Manhattan might be easier from X County than getting to Midtown depending on the transit options. Some people want to live in towns with certain ethnic choices, such as having access to Indian grocery stores or a synagogue to which they can walk.
How long a commute they can tolerate is often part of the discussion and the thing that people seem most unrealistic about. If you want a safe suburban town with good schools and a 45-minute commute, it's not going to happen when a quarter million people are trying to cross the same river in the same time frame using the same finite methods to do so.
When that gets asked, what are the places people usually suggest?
Depends on several factors....
If by rail, then any NJ town near or with access to NJT trains.
Bus? Ditto?
Driving? When (what time of day), by what route, where is end destination in Manhattan/NYC.
Know several people who recently moved to NJ, but work on UES. They use SAS to 33rd street and PATH trains (or vice versa), or walk over to Penn Station to get NJT trains (or again vice versa). Now if SAS had not been built, don't think they would have made that move.
Also know people who moved off SI to NJ, and their commute into Manhattan is actually shorter/faster. They all formerly lived out in Tottenville and Annadale...
If you want a safe suburban town with good schools and a 45-minute commute, it's not going to happen when a quarter million people are trying to cross the same river in the same time frame
Let's be more clear. When people say they are moving to NJ what they really mean is they are moving to the areas which are still commutable to NYC. This means Fort Lee, West NY, Hoboken, Newark (ugh), Patterson, etc. They do not mean Cape May, Atlantic City, or the northwest areas near the forests full of bears. Although I do hear that the forest areas are very tranquil and housing prices are not as elevated.
Let's be more clear. When people say they are moving to NJ what they really mean is they are moving to the areas which are still commutable to NYC. This means Fort Lee, West NY, Hoboken, Newark (ugh), Patterson, etc. They do not mean Cape May, Atlantic City, or the northwest areas near the forests full of bears. Although I do hear that the forest areas are very tranquil and housing prices are not as elevated.
You're leaving out a whole lot of commutable communities between (and around, as in Paterson) the urban Hudson River cities you list and south and northwest NJ. Not sure what your intent was in doing that, but it's simply not true, and kind of a weird thing to claim, frankly, since so many people who read it are going to know it's not true.
I'd say far more people commute to the city from the suburban towns than the river cities.
Let's be realistically clear. When most people say they are moving to NJ, what they really mean is that they are looking for a house in the suburbs with a yard and good schools, and often with access to the NJ Transit rail and bus systems.
Time to again trot out the NY Times rail map with approximate commuting times for NJ and NY suburbs. None of the NJ towns listed are near "forests full of bears".
You're leaving out a whole lot of commutable communities between (and around, as in Paterson) the urban Hudson River cities you list and south and northwest NJ. Not sure what your intent was in doing that, but it's simply not true, and kind of a weird thing to claim, frankly, since so many people who read it are going to know it's not true.
I'd say far more people commute to the city from the suburban towns than the river cities.
Let's be realistically clear. When most people say they are moving to NJ, what they really mean is that they are looking for a house in the suburbs with a yard and good schools, and often with access to the NJ Transit rail and bus systems.
Time to again trot out the NY Times rail map with approximate commuting times for NJ and NY suburbs. None of the NJ towns listed are near "forests full of bears".
Did you read what I wrote? I think we agree on the same things. I said that the focus is basically on northern and maybe central NJ. People are excluding southern and northwest NJ.
PS the only bears I want to see are in the stock market.
I know a realtor in NJ. He's big on the Gateway rail project (the new set of tunnels for Amtrak / NJ Transit into Penn Station.) When completed (who knows when?), this will double passenger rail capacity from NJ into NYC. He think this will cause a huge RE boom in the NJ suburbs of NY.
So, if he's right, LOTS more people will be moving from NY to NJ at some point.
I know a realtor in NJ. He's big on the Gateway rail project (the new set of tunnels for Amtrak / NJ Transit into Penn Station.) When completed (who knows when?), this will double passenger rail capacity from NJ into NYC. He think this will cause a huge RE boom in the NJ suburbs of NY.
So, if he's right, LOTS more people will be moving from NY to NJ at some point.
Oh man I hope so. The completion would coincide roughly with the time frame we're planning for our true regional exit.
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