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Old 03-13-2022, 04:25 PM
 
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As Bob Dylan said, "Times are a Changin'"

You can't unring a bell, and the bell rung in 2020.

Many old school workers in NY are accustomed to the model of the 20th century, and find that it was, and is, most productive for them. A lot of new workers don't see it that way. And with NYC being a total cesspool right now, I don't blame people who don't want to commute downtown/midtown to the office if there is no real need for it.

When comparing Paris to NYC, one of the character's in James Baldwin's "Gionvanni's Room" said that NYC was a very "20th Century" city, which was why he liked it so much. That was true. NYC was the GREAT CITY of the 20th century.

It's the 21st Century now.
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Old 03-13-2022, 04:33 PM
 
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...Young people have been chomping at the bit to overturn what they see as "antiquated" work rules from "older generation".

These young workers are a product of their generations which largely were raised on "gold stars for everyone", and or that sun rises and sets/world revolves around themselves.

You get sh*t from them all the time like "why do I have to come into work five days per week if can finish things in two or three?" Or, "why do I have to work eight (or more hours) per day at office when can finish things in four or five and be done?"
It doesn't occur to them that, if their job only takes half of their scheduled working hours, the job can be combined with someone else's job that also only takes half their scheduled working hours?
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Old 03-13-2022, 04:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Like I said, things vary by sort of employment.

No, a waitress at GS lunchroom (service worker) may not find same compensation elsewhere, but plenty of those in white collar spots surely can.

In case you've missed something, much of the moaning from city and state government isn't about low level or service workers returning to work, but BSD bankers, lawyers, and others who spend serious coin each day they at work. Everything from getting their shoes shined to power lunches or expensive dinners with clients, etc....
But we were told by the Leftists here over the years that NYC didn’t need the big wigs. It was the low level or service workers that were the life blood of the city.
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Old 03-13-2022, 04:38 PM
 
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Another thing is covid or not, annual employee reports are getting back to basics; this includes performance and other metrics.

You know what time a Zoom meeting is scheduled, have your end locked, loaded and ready to go. No one wants to wait around while your kid or pets keep popping in and out, and worse you take time away from meeting to deal with "Mommy is in a meeting now... wave hello to everybody..."

When things happen in person you show up for a meeting ready to hold up your end. Yeah you get those who arrive late and or aren't prepared, they usually are corrected then, or taken aside and sat down later.

For same reasons some people should never run their own businesses/be self employed, they also need the structure that comes from going into work every day. If left on their own are easily distracted, maybe just lazy, or whatever. Meanwhile work isn't done on time which holds up everyone else.

It's like independent study courses back in college. Some sign up, do the work, hand in projects on time, and otherwise successfully complete. Others spend time butt surfing or otherwise not performing work as required. Then get upset when given a failing grade and or their requests for "more time" are shot down.
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Old 03-13-2022, 04:41 PM
 
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But we were told by the Leftists here over the years that NYC didn’t need the big wigs. It was the low level or service workers that were the life blood of the city.
Yeah, that's why laundries, dry cleaners, restaurants, bars, etc... are all closing for lack of business.

Those service workers may be life blood of city, but their purchasing power obviously isn't replacing bankers, lawyers, and other "big wigs".
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:41 PM
 
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Another thing is covid or not, annual employee reports are getting back to basics; this includes performance and other metrics.

You know what time a Zoom meeting is scheduled, have your end locked, loaded and ready to go. No one wants to wait around while your kid or pets keep popping in and out, and worse you take time away from meeting to deal with "Mommy is in a meeting now... wave hello to everybody..."

When things happen in person you show up for a meeting ready to hold up your end. Yeah you get those who arrive late and or aren't prepared, they usually are corrected then, or taken aside and sat down later.

For same reasons some people should never run their own businesses/be self employed, they also need the structure that comes from going into work every day. If left on their own are easily distracted, maybe just lazy, or whatever. Meanwhile work isn't done on time which holds up everyone else.

It's like independent study courses back in college. Some sign up, do the work, hand in projects on time, and otherwise successfully complete. Others spend time butt surfing or otherwise not performing work as required. Then get upset when given a failing grade and or their requests for "more time" are shot down.
Remote work is the new prestigious social signal. If you hump your ass to an office everyday and you're not making a killing, you're the new minimum wage worker.

If I were in an office, how could I work multiple jobs at once? Being in an office would mess with my earning potential.
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:21 PM
 
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The WFH phenomena is bigger than Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan Chase at this point. Higher paid suburban finance employees enjoy doing WFH from their comfortable suburban homes. Not having to commute is saving them $100s/month. No more expensive monthly commutation ticket, no more expensive monthly railroad station parking fee. No more Penn Station, PABT, GCT. No more having to change to a subway filled with lunatics for the trip down to Wall Street area. WFH means getting up later too.
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:33 PM
 
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Like I said, things vary by sort of employment.

No, a waitress at GS lunchroom (service worker) may not find same compensation elsewhere, but plenty of those in white collar spots surely can.

In case you've missed something, much of the moaning from city and state government isn't about low level or service workers returning to work, but BSD bankers, lawyers, and others who spend serious coin each day they at work. Everything from getting their shoes shined to power lunches or expensive dinners with clients, etc....


*Wishing my bookkeeping skills and limited HR experience was transferable to a GS Career*
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Old 03-14-2022, 06:48 AM
 
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*Wishing my bookkeeping skills and limited HR experience was transferable to a GS Career*
No you don't.

Terrible company and culture.
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Old 03-14-2022, 07:03 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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They can give me their terrible culture anytime as long as I get their million dollar bonuses.
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