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If I would've had the unfortunate experience of living in one of the apartments above, I would've been a major Karen to the core! I don't know how tenants could've been so dismissive!
And these are also chemical fires. The ev batteries are made of rare earth metals which release toxins. We have rare earth minerals in our electronics too but the risk is comparatively lower since they are smaller. But bikes and scooters are much larger
Actually, no. The problem is the lithium. Lithium is highly reactive (which is why it's used in the batteries in the first place), and makes the batteries easy to become unstable when charging. So if they're charged incorrectly, they can easily burst into flames.
And, no, lithium is not a rare earth element.
Other companies and academic institutions have been working on Aluminum Ion batteries, which should be more stable (and last longer.) But apparently they're not ready for prime time yet.
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And these are also chemical fires. The ev batteries are made of rare earth metals which release toxins. We have rare earth minerals in our electronics too but the risk is comparatively lower since they are smaller. But bikes and scooters are much larger
Actually, no. The problem is the lithium. Lithium is highly reactive (which is why it's used in the batteries in the first place), and makes the batteries easy to become unstable when charging. So if they're charged incorrectly, they can easily burst into flames.
And, no, lithium is not a rare earth element.
Other companies and academic institutions have been working on Aluminum Ion batteries, which should be more stable (and last longer.) But apparently they're not ready for prime time yet.
That's true. But at the same time, the magnets in the motors need neodymium or samarium and can also require terbium and dysprosium; all are rare earth elements.
Older batteries based on Nimph ( nickel metal hybrids) ARE rare earth based.
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"If this was not an e-bike fire, most likely, we would've been able to put this fire out without incident," Hodgens said. "But the way these fires occur, it is like an explosion of fire, and these occupants have very little chance of escaping"
My father had a few of those when I was growing up. It was like driving around in your living room. Frankly I wasn't a fan. I like cars smaller and sportier.
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Agreed. Bring back the Cadillac with a 500ci in it.
That's because a fire in a lithium ion battery is an exotic metal fire. Exotic metal fires can't be put out with water, and they're very energetic.
The magnets in the bikes are a non issue. It's all the batteries and the fact that they're large, with lots of lithium electrolyte.
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Edit from an older article:
"If this was not an e-bike fire, most likely, we would've been able to put this fire out without incident," Hodgens said. "But the way these fires occur, it is like an explosion of fire, and these occupants have very little chance of escaping"
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