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Old 05-25-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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I think you could do well outside the mid-Hudson valley, even in other parts of the state. Its an area with NYC metro costs but without NYC metro salaries. Like the Poconos or the ex-urbs in NJ. Its also why people are fleeing these areas like the plague.
I was thinking this, as well. According to SeeThroughNY, the transportation director in our district makes about 50k. Of course, our district is relatively small, and I don't know that we even HAVE a bus "dispatcher" - can't search by that title on either SeeThroughNY or the district website.
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Old 05-25-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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I was thinking this, as well. According to SeeThroughNY, the transportation director in our district makes about 50k. Of course, our district is relatively small, and I don't know that we even HAVE a bus "dispatcher" - can't search by that title on either SeeThroughNY or the district website.
^ There ya go. 50k in Elmira will go a LOT further than $37k in Dutchess County!
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Old 05-25-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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That said, I'm guessing that the transportation director making 50k has been there for a while, since it looks like many of the teachers who are in their early to mid-50s are making between 55k to 60k. Now, I'm not picking apart the details of the different union contracts and all that!
Also, I'm NEAR Elmira, but not in it...the Transportation Director of the Elmira School District makes 73k! But Vintage is right, 50k here is a LOT. Even 37k here wouldn't be a terrible salary, especially if you have a working spouse and no young children at home. (Now, if you are a working parent trying to cover a $200/week daycare cost, it might be a different story....)
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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Liberalism/progressivism is what creates a civil society. If you don't like those things you can always moved to Somalia. No liberalism/progressivism.
Liberalism / progressivism has nothing liberal (classical term) neither progressive. Like a parasyte attaching itself to a healthy organism and gradually taking it over, so have these radicals.

These radicals now are taking over the civil society. And there is nothing civil they imbue. They are sick-minded, ruthless, and tyrannical. They do lure the gullible and drone them. In true form, these parasytes multiply, poison and destroy everything they touch.

You seem to be a textbook example of these drones.

Although born and bred in Brooklyn/Queens border, I have lived in 5 continents. I have seen what they do. Reading Das Kapital cover to cover (and many other) at 17 years old helps. Go read a single page and tell us if you understood anything.
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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It's fine until it runs rampant and unchecked and suddenly people are going to jail for insulting feminists and expressing opinion the wishy-washy left find offensive.

Liberalism and conservatism need each other to keep the other in check. Otherwise we end up with thought police.
Liberalism cannot co-exist with conservatism. Not for long. Liberalism is by definition a transformation, an overthrow of conservatism.

Liberalism is just another flavor of tyranny, which has been the ruling form of societies for 4000-5000 years. Wipe the shine off you'll see an old-as dirt regime. Liberalism is just lipstick on a pig.

OTOH, Conservatism is innovative, cutting edge, true progressive. Its just only 200 years old.
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Old 05-25-2016, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Liberalism cannot co-exist with conservatism. Not for long. Liberalism is by definition a transformation, an overthrow of conservatism.

Liberalism is just another flavor of tyranny, which has been the ruling form of societies for 4000-5000 years. Wipe the shine off you'll see an old-as dirt regime. Liberalism is just lipstick on a pig.

OTOH, Conservatism is innovative, cutting edge, true progressive. Its just only 200 years old.
"Conservatism is innovative"

Care to prove that, boyo?
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Old 05-26-2016, 03:46 AM
 
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"Conservatism is innovative"

Care to prove that, boyo?
Conservatism as a form of governance is based on --

-- individual is the sovereign, and grants limited and specific power to a central Govt

-- decentralization of power amongst branches, checks and balances: each branch works to counter abuse by another branch

-- Retaining most governance to the local entities, and use of central Govt in limited but distinct cases.

-- Armed citizenry as a check of last resort against a tyrannical Govt

-- Rights are God-given and at childbirth. Not man-given and voted on.

This form of governance that US embodies has proven wildly successful in history. Economic development, human rights, healthcare, quality of life.

I could contrast it with track record of "liberalism" if you want.
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Old 05-26-2016, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Conservatism as a form of governance is based on --

-- individual is the sovereign, and grants limited and specific power to a central Govt

-- decentralization of power amongst branches, checks and balances: each branch works to counter abuse by another branch

-- Retaining most governance to the local entities, and use of central Govt in limited but distinct cases.

-- Armed citizenry as a check of last resort against a tyrannical Govt

-- Rights are God-given and at childbirth. Not man-given and voted on.

This form of governance that US embodies has proven wildly successful in history. Economic development, human rights, healthcare, quality of life.

I could contrast it with track record of "liberalism" if you want.
Okay but what has it done lately?

Innovation doesn't count after several centuries. At that point it is status quo, not innovation.
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Old 05-26-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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There's absolutely nothing that conservatism has produced that I am even remotely interested in.

A made-up worldview of Jesus with guns. The Walmartization of America. Televangelists who live in mansions, and manipulate the poor and dying to give them their last dollar. Factory "farms". Private prisons. Payday loans. Shipping factories to Mexico and then blaming Detroit for its problems. Hatred of gay marriage by "family values" crowd who are 3x divorced. Josh Dugger. Starting wars based on lies and then pretending you care about veterans.

Conservatives are the biggest scam going. And Trump is your perfect candidate- a money-hungry, spiritually devoid con-man parasite who will create a Back to the Future II style America once he has his way. His kids look like James Bond villains and that's exactly what were going to get with this guy.
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Old 05-26-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Okay but what has it done lately?

Innovation doesn't count after several centuries. At that point it is status quo, not innovation.
"SEVERAL" centuries? So 2 now is "several?"

Liberalism has been misplacing conservatism gradually and increasingly in the last 100 years ago. Speed has been picking up.

Besides who wants forms of Govt to be changing constantly? A society with a Govt turmoil is not civil. No, laws have to be stable and predictable.
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