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A couple of points. First, urbancharlotte, your comments about race and Julius Peppers is a completely different issue. It gets into elements of equal opportunity and affirmative action, and that's not what McCrory is talking about. Not to open that can of worms, but suffice it to say that for decades minorities had been underserved by our university system (to put it mildly), and some accommodations were needed to help minorities succeed. But again, that's a very different discussion so I'll just leave it at that in order to focus on the topic at hand.
Secondly, there are "college-educated dumb-arses" in every field of study--it's not just limited to liberal arts, nor is it any more prevalent among them. I've met plenty of business majors, math majors, accounting majors, science majors, and many others who make me wonder how they ever got through college. Sorry, but that's just a by-product of the human condition--it has nothing to do with their selected major, and everything to do with their capabilities and willingness to apply themselves.
Bottom line is that McCrory's statements are based on unfounded assumptions--he assumes that some majors aren't worthy because they don't necessarily teach a specific job skill. I say that a good student in any field of study can and will prosper if he/she learns the basic skills of "survival"--critical thinking, analysis, and learning "how to learn". Labeling certain majors as worthy or not is a dangerous slope, and I simply don't trust a Catawba College graduate to make these sorts of decisions.
Labeling certain majors as worthy or not is a dangerous slope
we already do that.
all mcrory is really proposing that we shift the decision from the universities themselves, who use an insanely politically-driven process, to a more objective system based on results.
Labeling certain majors as worthy or not is a dangerous slope, and I simply don't trust a Catawba College graduate to make these sorts of decisions.
As stated above, it's all about holding these public universities accountable for their results in the work force. You haven't once given me a valid reason as to why you think this is a "bad thing".
all mcrory is really proposing that we shift the decision from the universities themselves, who use an insanely politically-driven process, to a more objective system based on results.
So you're saying that removing these decisions from the universities and placing it in the hands of policitians will make it less "politically-driven"? Really?
What difference does any of this make if there are no jobs???
Highly qualified candidates will not magically create jobs.
It's not about jobs... or even education. It's about an opportunity to use a temporary economic
condition as leverage to further the rest of their political agenda.
If they were really concerned about jobs (or even education)...
there would be far less of the "rah rah" for importing competition for what jobs that are available.
i think you're overestimating the quality of the college experience. there is a tremendous amount of dead wood that needs to be cut out of university systems, mainly in the form of liberal arts administrators and professors.
If we're just cutting departments entirely it'd make more sense to get rid of business. There's no reason it should take four years to learn how to use power point.
But seriously business is the largest major by enrollment and subsequently responsible for most of the dropouts. All those niche liberal arts programs like women's studies and interpretive dance have a handful of students and faculty. It wouldn't result in much cost savings to eliminate them.
So you're saying that removing these decisions from the universities and placing it in the hands of policitians will make it less "politically-driven"? Really?
yup! that's how politically driven our university environments are.
better to have an objective system designed by legislators, than a subjective system that's up to the whims of university administrators.
As stated above, it's all about holding these public universities accountable for their results in the work force. You haven't once given me a valid reason as to why you think this is a "bad thing".
I think it is a bad thing because holding universities accountable for the decisions of hiring managers is irrational.
If we're just cutting departments entirely it'd make more sense to get rid of business. There's no reason it should take four years to learn how to use power point.
For once we agree. Business majors are basically taught to seek out "decent markets" with tons of cash flow so they can use their powers of "business" to redirect that cash into their own pockets. Many business majors earn tons of money, yet few (if any) actually invent, produce, build, ship, or receive any goods. They are pretty much glorified middle-men; kinda like the used car salesman (actually, they both wear the same brand of suits). Even Obama stated that we need fewer business majors (specifically in finance) and more scientists/engineers.
If McCrory really wants to be objective, he does need to look at ALL majors and not just the liberal arts. However, liberal arts courses such as women's studies (LOL) is a good place to start.
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I think it is a bad thing because holding universities accountable for the decisions of hiring managers is irrational.
And you don't think that handing a blank check over to a university with no accountability attached to it isn't irrational?
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Even Obama stated that we need fewer business majors (specifically in finance) and more scientists/engineers.
