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It gives a small nod to local communities and private business to have local control over their own hiring practices as it relates to non-discrimination based on equality but it doesn't do much else. Essentially, LGBTs may be able to be protected to get hired at a restaurant but not protected as a guest of that same restaurant. Said another way, it would appear that a gay person could be protected in hiring practices to work at a bakery that then refuses to bake a cake for a gay couple's wedding. Since there is no human rights' protection for the gay customer, how could they sue? There wouldn't be a legal basis.
The biggest change seems to be his push to enable a right to sue in state court for grievances based on discrimination that they defined as protected. Again, no LGBT protection here..
The reality is LGBT people were never protected in North Carolina though, even before HB2. By adding the clause about state employees this executive order actually gives more rights to LGBT citizens statewide than we had before, it's sad, but it's true.
It was only local governments and businesses that have instituted laws against discrimination of LGBT people, and this order gives them back the right to do so which HB2 took away (assuming I am reading everything correctly).
Giving back local governments the right to have their own non-discrimination policies and expanding the state’s employment policy to cover sexual orientation and gender identity are big important steps.
However "Seeks legislation to reinstate" the right to sue in state court for discrimination, is just empty words. We will see if the assembly will actually do this.
It also doesn't mention the minimum wage issue that was included in HB2.
They are NOT letting local governments set their own ordinance! Only POLICY for their own employees... This "statement" amounts to NOTHING but spin. Weak spin.
The reality is LGBT people were never protected in North Carolina though, even before HB2. By adding the clause about state employees this executive order actually gives more rights to LGBT citizens statewide than we had before, it's sad, but it's true.
It was only local governments and businesses that have instituted laws against discrimination of LGBT people, and this order gives them back the right to do so which HB2 took away (assuming I am reading everything correctly).
You read incorrectly.
It does not allow cities to set their own NDO. It only allows cities to set policy for their own employees. Don't let the duping continue!
You read incorrectly. It does not allow cities to set their own NDO. It only allows cities to set policy for their own employees.
From looking again it seems you are right, thanks. Yes if this doesn't even allow local governments to set their own non-discrimination policies it is a completely useless move (to me).
Tennessee is putting the brakes on coping the potty bill as the Tennessee Attorney General has advised that all Federal education money for K-12 could be at risk under Federal discrimination laws that the funds are tied to. For Tennessee that would be $1.2 billion in education funding lost. North Carolina has 50% more people than Tenn.
Clearly it's a politically crafted message that tries to walk a tight-rope over shark infested waters.
It gives a small nod to local communities and private business to have local control over their own hiring practices as it relates to non-discrimination based on equality but it doesn't do much else. Essentially, LGBTs may be able to be protected to get hired at a restaurant but not protected as a guest of that same restaurant.
Why would someone from the LGBT be protected as a guest when I don't have those same protections? A privately owned restaurant can refuse service to anyone. They can chose to refuse service to me, to you, to anyone.
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Said another way, it would appear that a gay person could be protected in hiring practices to work at a bakery that then refuses to bake a cake for a gay couple's wedding. Since there is no human rights' protection for the gay customer, how could they sue? There wouldn't be a legal basis.
Again, why should there be human rights protection for the gay customer and not for the heterosexual customer? You're not talking about equal rights for all, you're talking about special treatment for a certain section of people that is not provide to everyone else. That is discrimination.
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Local communities can create protections in housing that goes beyond the state protections.
The biggest change seems to be his push for the upcoming short session to enable a right to sue in state court for grievances based on discrimination that they defined as protected. Again, no LGBT protection here.
What on earth are you talking about? Did you read the executive order?
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He says nada about the minimum wage issue. Methinks this is really their sacred cow issue.
He repackaged the bathroom talking point with different words. No change there at all. He clearly wants the issue to just go away. It's doubtful that it will. It still puts trans people in a terrible position when they are at public entities like universities and need to pee.
The minimum wage is a STATE MANDATED LAW. It is not for the cities to set their own minimum wage. This is true for at least 37 other states in the Union and has been true in NC for longer than I have been alive.
It absolutely DOES NOT put the transgenders in a terrible situation with the bathroom. The order states for public entities to provide unisex restrooms for special circumstances.
Most people are dumb. They still think the main issue is the restrooms. Explaining an executive order is to the average person is like trying to teach a dog to drive
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