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Old 09-17-2016, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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This is not just about the governor, it's those politicians that stand with him and those voters who voted these people in. The state needs to fully realize the full impact of putting irresponsible bigots to govern.
It's pretty funny seeing them realize how much they costed the state. Seeing them basically scream "compromise" or "we have to do something" is so ironic. Can't wait to see NC go back to its roots in November and be the shining progressive state it was, with decades of economic damage caused by HB2. But we will get there and prosper again!
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Old 09-17-2016, 05:53 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Eyes on you, Charlotte
Charlotte's best response in two words: Get bent
(actually those aren't the first two words that came to mind.... )
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Old 09-17-2016, 06:08 PM
 
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If Charlotte would be so stupid to fall for this, the fallout will be massive.......I don't recall anyone saying the reason we won't do business in NC is because of what the Charlotte Council passed. The problem is what the GA and Gov did in several hours thinking no one would notice.....Sorry someone did notice. The blame anyone but me is getting tiresome.
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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NC is not losing these games. Charlotte -- where this started -- and Raleigh -- where it has stalled -- are losing the games.

I don't care, and I have lived in NC for a very long time. The games in question are sort of a lowest-common-denominator events, and are a pain in the ass with traffic tie ups and so forth. Phooey with them!
It's not like they make a measurable difference in the GDP and growth. Despite the high visibility, the money is seasonal and pretty minuscule compared to the rest of the $500 billion/year economy. Bad PR is pretty much the extent of it. Small price to pay in order to be a sovereign state making our own decisions instead of kowtowing to silly, hypocritical meddling from out of state.
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:29 PM
 
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It's not like they make a measurable difference in the GDP and growth. Despite the high visibility, the money is seasonal and pretty minuscule compared to the rest of the $500 billion/year economy. Bad PR is pretty much the extent of it. Small price to pay in order to be a sovereign state making our own decisions instead of kowtowing to silly, hypocritical meddling from out of state.
Again wrong. Tourism and Travel are one of our best drivers of our economy. and when you lose concerts, conferences, sporting events, and conventions to this law that is tourism and travel. So tell me again how this has no impact on the NC GDP? Also don't forget add $500 million from the distater fund to cover legal expenses.

https://www.nccommerce.com/LinkClick...d=636&mid=4669


Travel and Tourism generates $20.2 billion a year in total economic demand in North Carolina.
Tourism demand generates $31.3 in business sales, including indirect and induced impacts.
Nearly all sectors of the North Carolina economy benefit from tourism activity directly and/or
indirectly



This economic activity sustains 362,052 jobs, and 8.7% of all wage and salary employment in the
state is directly or indirectly dependent on tourism. This is an increase in share from 8.6% in 2008.
$9.0 billion in compensation is generated by tourism demand.
The $20.2 billion in tourism related expenditures generates $15.6 billion in tourism impact (full GDP), or 4.0% of the state economy.

In terms of employment, tourism sustains 88% of the air transport sector, 100% of the lodging
sector, 31% of the recreation/entertainment sector, and 25% of the food & beverage sector.
Including indirect and induced impacts, tourism in North Carolina generates $2.1 billion in state and
local taxes and $2.2 billion in federal taxes.

 Average Overnight Business Travel Party Spending $713
 Out-of-State Business Travel Party Spending $831
 North Carolina Resident Business Travel Party Spending $377
 Average Overnight Leisure Travel Party Spending $549
 Out-of-State Leisure Travel Party Spending $696
 North Carolina Resident Leisure Travel Party Spending $296
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Again wrong. Tourism and Travel are one of our best drivers of our economy. and when you lose concerts, conferences, sporting events, and conventions to this law that is tourism and travel. So tell me again how this has no impact on the NC GDP? Also don't forget add $500 million from the distater fund to cover legal expenses.

https://www.nccommerce.com/LinkClick...d=636&mid=4669


Travel and Tourism generates $20.2 billion a year in total economic demand in North Carolina.
Tourism demand generates $31.3 in business sales, including indirect and induced impacts.
Nearly all sectors of the North Carolina economy benefit from tourism activity directly and/or
indirectly
Then maybe you should call Charlotte city council and urge them to do the right thing.

Our GDP will be substantially more this year than last. You can thank your white devil McCrory for that
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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The $20.2 billion in tourism related expenditures generates $15.6 billion in tourism impact (full GDP), or 4.0% of the state economy.
Four percent of the state economy. Let's be charitable, and assume that this is true, even though one might question the CC's motives to inflate this number.

Many people "out there" have no knowledge of this tempest-in-a-teapot. Say 25% do (probably a very generous estimate). Of those, maybe another 25% care one way or the other. Of those who care, they are likely divided about 50-50 on which way they side, as is the case for most issues like this. Some of these care enough to stay out of NC, some don't. You can see where this is going -- multiply the fractions -- only a small fraction of one percent of the state economy is likely to be in question. Virtually negligible, as mentioned above by your Nemesis.

Moreover, you seem to imply that there is no cross-over the other way. That's not at all the case. Some people, like me, might be more likely to visit NC because of the HB2 stand, not less likely. For example, I make an effort to patronize Chic-fil-a whenever it's convenient. And so it goes . . .

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Small price to pay in order to be a sovereign state making our own decisions instead of kowtowing to silly, hypocritical meddling from out of state.
Yes, exactly and concisely.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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NC is not losing these games. Charlotte -- where this started -- and Raleigh -- where it has stalled -- are losing the games.

I don't care, and I have lived in NC for a very long time. The games in question are sort of a lowest-common-denominator events, and are a pain in the ass with traffic tie ups and so forth. Phooey with them!
Phooey with the economic impact of the loss of jobs, business investment, revenue loss, etc. Really?

Getting major sports title/all star/important games, business relocation, business expansion, business investment, and convention location is very competitive among the states and HB2 gives the decision makers a reason to shop elsewhere.

Furthermore HB2 strips NC citizens rights to sue for discrimination based on age, national origin, sex, race, gender in state courts, overturning settled law since 1977.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Then maybe you should call Charlotte city council and urge them to do the right thing.

Our GDP will be substantially more this year than last. You can thank your white devil McCrory for that
That is just foolish thinking. Charlotte played no part in the governor and legislature stripping rights from NC citizens.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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Phooey with the economic impact of the loss of jobs, business investment, revenue loss, etc. Really?
Yes, really. Minimal, and well worth the price.
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