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Old 09-14-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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"WASHINGTON
North Carolina’s Republican members of the U.S. House of Representatives have given the Department of Education until Friday to say whether officials will punish the state for its controversial HB2 law by withholding federal funds from public schools and universities."

Read more here: NC Republicans want vow that feds won

Really? IMO, the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now and now the Attorney General has called the law discriminatory and filed suit. Goodby $4.5 billion.

Instead of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, how about demanding the governor and state legislature do the right thing regarding HB2.
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:38 AM
 
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I'm curious: Would you be pleased if funds were withheld?
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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Title VII and Title IX do not include protections for gender "identity." They were written in the 60's and only addressed gender. There's no other way to read them without reinterpreting them to say something they did not. The DOJ and DOE will lose in court.

If this administration wants the law revised, they'll have to go through Congress like everyone else
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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"WASHINGTON
North Carolina’s Republican members of the U.S. House of Representatives have given the Department of Education until Friday to say whether officials will punish the state for its controversial HB2 law by withholding federal funds from public schools and universities."

Read more here: NC Republicans want vow that feds won

Really? IMO, the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now and now the Attorney General has called the law discriminatory and filed suit. Goodby $4.5 billion.

Instead of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, how about demanding the governor and state legislature do the right thing regarding HB2.
The right thing is for the State of North Carolina to tell the United States Department of Education to mind its own business and that the North Carolina Department of Education can handle all education matters in North Carolina.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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This isn't just about transgender discrimination. It's about discrimination. Yes, the state may have some anti-discrimination policies, but if someone is discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, they now have no legal recourse in the state.

Why would any reasonable institution subject students or staff to the possibility of that happening?


The federal government and most states don't have anti-discrimination laws based on sexual orientation. Should these groups refuse to do business in all 28 states that don't have them?
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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The federal government and most states don't have anti-discrimination laws based on sexual orientation. Should these groups refuse to do business in all 28 states that don't have them?
Maybe. But I also don't think those 28 states are passing legislature that moves them backwards. States pander to business in various ways but that bill was a horrible way to do so.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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The right thing is for the State of North Carolina to tell the United States Department of Education to mind its own business and that the North Carolina Department of Education can handle all education matters in North Carolina.
But isn't that what Charlotte told the state of NC prior to creating HB2...mind you own business, we can handle Charlotte matters.
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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How are the city of Charlotte and Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools doing? They have made headlines for being weird and confused.
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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I'm curious: Would you be pleased if funds were withheld?
The governor and legislature were warned and they ignored every signpost in the road to where we are now. If the monies are lost, HB2 will be to blame.
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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Title VII and Title IX do not include protections for gender "identity." They were written in the 60's and only addressed gender. There's no other way to read them without reinterpreting them to say something they did not. The DOJ and DOE will lose in court.

If this administration wants the law revised, they'll have to go through Congress like everyone else
This was in May.

"Margaret Spellings, president of the UNC system, issued a statement late Wednesday about the Justice Department letter: "We were notified this afternoon that the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice has determined the UNC system is in violation of federal nondiscrimination law as it relates to the N.C. Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act, commonly known as HB2. We take this determination seriously and will be conferring with the governor’s office, legislative leaders and counsel about next steps and will respond to the department by its May 9 deadline."

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ender-students
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