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Old 01-20-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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And most of these people who pass ordinances of this sort don't even know what a Staffordshire Bull Terrier IS. Staffie-bulls are smaller than the average cocker spaniel, but most people envision something the size of a mastiff.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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Eh... no. ALL dogs have an instinct to "cull the weaking" as part of pack behavior. This is unlikely to be triggered if there's just one dog, but with two or more (and it does not matter what breed) -- ANYTHING that goes down and screams is liable to trigger this "culling" behavior. Kill the rabbit, kill the weakling, put the injured pack member out of its misery. At that point species, breed, temperament, and training are no longer relevant. Even the mildest-natured, best-trained dog can be involved.

This is why serious dog attack incidents generally start with someone tripping and falling down, or a child falling and screaming, and why the owners cannot understand why their otherwise-meek dogs attacked granny or chewed little Johnny.

And pitbulls are not involved any more often than other breeds, but the media has a habit of calling any solidly-built dog a "pitbull" because that's where the Scare Factor is today, so that's what garners more eyeballs. (A generation ago it was Dobermans; before that it was German Shepherds; and in the Prohibition era, the scary dog was Collies.)

Incidentally, pitbulls were developed to fight each other, NOT to attack man; in fact one that bit its handler would get a bullet and be out of the gene pool. Conversely, German Shepherds (and Boxers, and a few other breeds) were developed specifically as a mankiller, and it's only through later breeding efforts that they became at all suitable as pets.

At any rate, don't be afraid of some specific type of dog; rather, exercise sensible behavior around any dog. You're in charge, not the dog. And don't leave little kids or anyone unstable on their feet alone with any animal, that's just common sense. Most of the time nothing will happen, but dogs are dogs, not humans. They react as dogs.

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I mentioned "you're in charge, not the dog". This is probably the biggest problem I see in "dog training" today -- the owner fails to be in charge, and dogs, not being wired to take over that position, will bully instead of leading. Training with treats exacerbates this (in nature, the underling gives the bribe to the boss -- you can see the problem!). I've been in dogs over 40 years and when I started, we never had the kind of behavior problems I see with today's "feelgood" training. Koehler was right.
Thanks for that info. I still just cannot fully buy th all dogs are equal thing though. Just can't. I however am NOT a dog expert whatsoever.

When you mention to watch kids around, well the thing is they(dogs) are so darn fast. A pitbull once came aggresive after my son in a hotel as it popped out of the room so fast of course exactly as we were passing and my son just happen to be the one closer the owner older kid was holding leash but I think we alarmed the dog and it growled and yanked away from owner so fast and was there instantly. The adult owner came out so fast and yelled something the dog retreated. Omg I was livid the hotel allowed the dog there but I understand they can't discriminate if they say dogs allowed. The media does blo up stories but still the stories especually the ones where the owners left with the kids the pitbull are just so depressing. But I know pitbulls are all not the same just like humans are not too.
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Thanks for that info. I still just cannot fully buy th all dogs are equal thing though. Just can't. I however am NOT a dog expert whatsoever.
Of course not, that's why we have selective breeding, both for the different jobs that different breeds do (and even "little old lady's lapdog" is a job with specific requirements) and for different personalities and abilities within any given breed. Just as with people, dogs can go wrong, or be raised by morons, or allowed to be spoiled brats, and that's regardless of breed.

BTW, probably half to two-thirds of the dogs broadly identified as, and commonly misidentified as pit bulls are actually something else.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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I've heard that pittbulls are outlawed in Williston too.
Here is a link showing N.D. towns and breed bans. http://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-...rth-dakota.php

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