11-10-2017, 09:04 AM
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https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2017/11/...dec-4/slide/1/
Beginning Dec. 4, the HOV hours will expand from 2.5 hours to 4 hours each way every weekday from 5:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. toward D.C. and 3 p.m. to 7 p.m. toward the Beltway.
Drivers with at least one other person in the car and an E-ZPass Flex switched to HOV mode will ride free, all other drivers in the peak direction will pay a toll that rises and falls based on the amount of traffic on the road. Drivers without an E-ZPass
will be violating the law.
There will no longer be exemptions for travelers to and from Dulles Airport or for hybrid drivers.
so non-HOV cars are now allowed to drive on I66 during rush hr?!
if so, this makes no sense.
thought the tolls were supposed to ease traffic?
thought during rush hr, it's still HOV only but you have to pay. this would definitely lighten congestion.
so don't understand the rules change of allowing non-HOV cars during rush hr.
basically, the govt is saying if you have $$$, you are now allowed on I66 if not HOV. that seems wrong.
plus how does that relieve congestion on I66 during rush hr?!
and I66 still free outside of rush hr?
Last edited by 314Pie; 11-10-2017 at 09:12 AM ..
11-10-2017, 12:34 PM
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This has been in the works for a while.
There was a detailed study done that indicates overall improved traffic, although some areas will get worse according to the study. It seems like they are banking on a few things: 1) A number of non HOV drivers already violate and use the lane, 2) Lengthening HOV hours will spread the HOV traffic out a little bit, 3)Lots of the commute traffic issues are intersections near (on/off) 66 as well as Alternate routes, so overall commutes should get better even if the time on 66 does not. We'll see how accurate the study is. You can see some of the results here:
https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2016/01/...raffic-impact/
Yes, I66 is still free outside of rush hour. Originally, they planned to toll both directions in the morning and evening rushes, but decided to only toll the "rush" direction, thankfully.
Eventually, HOV3 will be required to use the road for free during rush hour.
11-10-2017, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
z28lt1
Eventually, HOV3 will be required to use the road for free during rush hour.
how exactly do they catch cheaters who have their ezpass set to HOV but only 1 person driving??
11-10-2017, 01:48 PM
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how exactly do they catch cheaters who have their ezpass set to HOV but only 1 person driving??
They have to be looking for it and the police have a sensor that detects if you have HOV set to "ON." If you do, then it is up to them to do a visual on your car.
11-10-2017, 02:46 PM
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314Pie
so non-HOV cars are now allowed to drive on I66 during rush hr?!
Ironically it may drop the number of non-HOV cars on 66 during HOV hours. Prior studies showed that
40+% of the traffic on 66 during rush hour was HOV violators depending on the day. Crazy right? Nearly half the traffic on the road didn't belong there. By tolling these people they can no longer ride for free, unless as you mentioned they illegally set an ezpass to HOV. Also don't underestimate the number of people that bought hybrids specifically to ride in HOV lanes (which they can't do anymore).
How rigorously this will be enforced remains to be seen. I assume it will be easier for police to only check cars with the HOV set to 'on' for multiple people as opposed to every car going by.
Keep in mind too that the biggest thing here is removing the exemption of driving to Dulles. This is why so many people were able to get away with violating and forced the police to mainly sit at off ramps inside the beltway. If you were going west of the beltway your chances of getting pulled over on 66 were basically nil. Now you have to pay to play. Will be interesting to see if this cuts down on HOV violators and how much traffic ends up on Rt 50 or 395 (probably a lot more Priuses).
11-10-2017, 05:01 PM
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Prior studies showed that 40+% of the traffic on 66 during rush hour was HOV violators depending on the day. Crazy right? Nearly half the traffic on the road didn't belong there. By tolling these people they can no longer ride for free, unless as you mentioned they illegally set an ezpass to HOV.
They were perfectly fine with illegally using 66 before; why do you think these same people won't flip the switch and illegally use the road now?
11-10-2017, 07:09 PM
Location: Suburbia
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I have always found the 66 rules to be confusing for those who don't regularly drive that section of the road.
11-10-2017, 08:26 PM
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spencgr
They were perfectly fine with illegally using 66 before; why do you think these same people won't flip the switch and illegally use the road now?
Because the cops only have to check cars with the EZ Pass Flex HOV mode enabled. They no longer have to deal with "I'm on my way to Dulles" or hybrids. As I already said, "how rigorously this will be enforced remains to be seen."
Also nearly everyone has an EZ Pass which means you either have to switch to HOV mode (for most this means getting a new EZ-pass flex) or hide it so it won't be read, in which case you get a ticket automatically for not paying the toll.
11-10-2017, 08:46 PM
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Because the cops only have to check cars with the EZ Pass Flex HOV mode enabled. They no longer have to deal with "I'm on my way to Dulles" or hybrids. As I already said, "how rigorously this will be enforced remains to be seen."Also nearly everyone has an EZ Pass which means you either have to switch to HOV mode (for most this means getting a new EZ-pass flex) or hide it so it won't be read, in which case you get a ticket automatically for not paying the toll.
The WTOP article reads, "...all cars must have an E-ZPass or E-ZPass Flex to avoid a violation. More than 40 percent of drivers using the road are not prepared for that."
11-10-2017, 09:45 PM
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tgbwc
The WTOP article reads, "...all cars must have an E-ZPass or E-ZPass Flex to avoid a violation. More than 40 percent of drivers using the road are not prepared for that."
60% is definitely not nearly everyone. I assumed the rate would be much higher with the HOT lanes/express lanes/267/etc.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
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Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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60% is definitely not nearly everyone. I assumed the rate would be much higher with the HOT lanes/express lanes/267/etc.
