John Kasich... what a failure (liberal, status, women)

[hairmetal4ever]

Originally Posted by ksu sucks

No, not really.

By they way, could you have a chat with some of your fellow Cincinnati voters, please?? Do you how much work it is for us Clevelanders to try and bring progress to this state with you guys voting for every dolt with an "R" next to his name?

Yeah, because the Democrats (who have run Cleveland for decades) have done SO MUCH to improve Cleveland.

NOT!

Look at the cities in the country with the highest unemployment and highest crime...almost without fail, they're run by Democrats and have been for decades.

Pot...kettle.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by hairmetal4ever

Yeah, because the Democrats (who have run Cleveland for decades) have done SO MUCH to improve Cleveland.

Things actually have improved in Cleveland. We have a ways to go, but it isn't doom and gloom as many (like yourself) would have people think. With the mass hemorrhaging of manufacturing to 3rd world countries during the 70's through today, there was really no way to avoid having to weather a storm. Cleveland has done that arguably better than any city in the country that had a large manufacturing base.

Look at the cities in the country with the highest unemployment and highest crime...almost without fail, they're run by Democrats and have been for decades.

Pot...kettle.

Yeah, you might want to check that statement and also look at the state level. By and large, traditional red states rank pretty low on the list. But, just remember, this whole recent economic crisis was ushered in by a lock-step Republican leadership. All the blame cannot be placed solely on them, but they did little, if anything, to stave it off. Their only apparent solution to any of it was to blame the Democrats who had been largely shut out by them from 2001-2007 which was when the housing bubble truly manifested itself. By 2006, it was already too late, the ARMs were starting to move into free-floating interest and the prime rate was already on its way up. And, of course, they did nothing.

Pot...kettle...indeed.

[TimR76]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Things actually have improved in Cleveland. We have a ways to go, but it isn't doom and gloom as many (like yourself) would have people think. With the mass hemorrhaging of manufacturing to 3rd world countries during the 70's through today, there was really no way to avoid having to weather a storm. Cleveland has done that arguably better than any city in the country that had a large manufacturing base.


Yeah, you might want to check that statement and also look at the state level. By and large, traditional red states rank pretty low on the list. But, just remember, this whole recent economic crisis was ushered in by a lock-step Republican leadership. All the blame cannot be placed solely on them, but they did little, if anything, to stave it off. Their only apparent solution to any of it was to blame the Democrats who had been largely shut out by them from 2001-2007 which was when the housing bubble truly manifested itself. By 2006, it was already too late, the ARMs were starting to move into free-floating interest and the prime rate was already on its way up. And, of course, they did nothing.

Pot...kettle...indeed.

As a soon-to-be Ohioan I'll chime in here.

The financial crisis is a result of many entrenched policies, too much regulation on one side, not enough on the other, and both parties share the blame.

They probably never should have passed Gramm-Leach-Biley either.

I am generally a fiscally conservative Republican, though, and aside from entrenched interests on both sides, support the basic idea of smaller government and lower taxes, with a few safeguards in place.

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by hairmetal4ever

Celeste was awful. Voinovich was decent at first, then marginal. Taft sucked. Strickland sucked worse.

Having lived in Ohio during the recessions of the 70s and early 80s, my recollection is that Celeste and Voinovich oversaw something of a recovery in the state and brought back a little pride and respect. Taft and Kasich -- not so much.

[Townes Van Zandt]

Originally Posted by hairmetal4ever

Kasich? He's a breath of fresh air. Better a "Corporate *****" than a Union *****, which is what has been dragging Ohio into the ground since the 50s.

Yeah, but they're all *****'s.

[neilworms2]

Look at the cities in the country with the highest unemployment and highest crime...almost without fail, they're run by Democrats and have been for decades.

Oh like Seattle or San Fran:

2009

Seattle
Crime index: 440.2

San Fran

Crime Index: 396.7

VS

Cincinnati

Crime Index: 666.4

Both of the cities above are extremely liberal but have average crime rates or somewhat above average. Cincinnati is fairly conservative (though less than the burbs) and has a very high crime rate (though in previous years the index was over 700).

Partisanship for partisanship's sake is not good leadership. Good leadership can come from both sides. Right now both sides are frankly failing. I was raised a fiscal conservative and am kind of a moderate now (with liberal social leanings). Issues like crime are more complex than liberal vs conservative leadership too. And what about Canada which is more liberal than the US but has lower crime in its large cities?

[neilworms2]

Oh and here is employment broken down - March 2011 numbers:

Seattle:

7.7%

San Fran:

9.1% (okay this one is right).


Cincinnati:

8.9%

San Fran is very liberal and has higher unemployment than Cincy, but Seattle is also very liberal and has lower. Is there a correlation here?

[no1brownsfan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Things actually have improved in Cleveland. We have a ways to go, but it isn't doom and gloom as many (like yourself) would have people think. With the mass hemorrhaging of manufacturing to 3rd world countries during the 70's through today, there was really no way to avoid having to weather a storm. Cleveland has done that arguably better than any city in the country that had a large manufacturing base.


Yeah, you might want to check that statement and also look at the state level. By and large, traditional red states rank pretty low on the list. But, just remember, this whole recent economic crisis was ushered in by a lock-step Republican leadership. All the blame cannot be placed solely on them, but they did little, if anything, to stave it off. Their only apparent solution to any of it was to blame the Democrats who had been largely shut out by them from 2001-2007 which was when the housing bubble truly manifested itself. By 2006, it was already too late, the ARMs were starting to move into free-floating interest and the prime rate was already on its way up. And, of course, they did nothing.

Pot...kettle...indeed.

Well said Cleveland_Collector. Things appear to be looking up in Cleveland. Every city has their share of issues! Sadly, ours are always pushed to the forefront more than other cities! Oh well, just makes us tougher, and more thick skinned! I truly hope that we are into a new renaissance similar to the 90s, except without falling off! This city has the people, the resources and the potential to run circles around ANY city in this region! And best of all we have one of the biggest natural resources of all; WATER!

But back to the original intent of the thread... I'm not a fan of Kasich either!

[hairmetal4ever]

Originally Posted by neilworms2

Oh like Seattle or San Fran:

2009

Seattle
Crime index: 440.2

San Fran

Crime Index: 396.7

VS

Cincinnati

Crime Index: 666.4

Both of the cities above are extremely liberal but have average crime rates or somewhat above average. Cincinnati is fairly conservative (though less than the burbs) and has a very high crime rate (though in previous years the index was over 700).

Partisanship for partisanship's sake is not good leadership. Good leadership can come from both sides. Right now both sides are frankly failing. I was raised a fiscal conservative and am kind of a moderate now (with liberal social leanings). Issues like crime are more complex than liberal vs conservative leadership too. And what about Canada which is more liberal than the US but has lower crime in its large cities?

There are exceptions, but I will concede that any place that has been run essentially as a single-party state (or city) is going to have problems if it's highly populated, Seattle is an exception to that as is San Francisco, they are kind of worlds unto themselves. Lack of political competition breeds corruption on either side, although that's not by any means the only way corruption can arise.

[The Don]

[quote=neilworms2;20016836]Oh like Seattle or San Fran:

2009

Seattle
Crime index: 440.2

San Fran

Crime Index: 396.7

VS

Cincinnati

Crime Index: 666.4

The statistics about Cincinnati really prove the point -- Cincinnati has been ruled by the Democrats for decades and has been going steadily down hill.

To the point of this discussion though, show me where we are going to get the money to build and run the proposed mass transit system.

The state is broke! The federal government is broke! Raising taxes would be a sure way of driving people out.