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Old 05-01-2016, 12:22 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I am not sure the source of this information, as 'mutt doesn't tell us. In any case, let me make a couple things clear:

1) The national media is tremendously opposed to Trump (this includes so-called news media outlets, comedy shows, etc.);
2) The GOP establishment is tremendously opposed to Trump and has run millions of dollars of ads against him;
3) The DNC establishment is tremendously opposed to Trump and is working feverishly to besmirch his reputation.

Do you suppose this has anything to do with these unfavorable ratings?

We support this candidate not because we agree with every issue. First, he cannot be bought by money. We also support him because the GOP has indeed become a joke. The issues that matter are where Trump trumps: Immigration, [unfair] trade (a concept I no longer support as it is now, a foreign policy that puts America's interest first and makes dependent allies pay and ensures we act only in our interest(s) - wars are a no no unless it is in OUR interest and last, the necessary strengthening of our military. These are the reasons why we support him. We want America to be feared and admired, not loved. To hell with the old altruistic internationalist/interventionalist American foreign policy. I do not support crap like making Egypt much-less Afghanistan a democracy.
Now, moving on from sourcing -
1) the National Media isn't really for or against candidates so much as they are for ratings / viewership. Trump presents himself with gross negativity. The Media doesn't have to make it worse. He's doing it himself - on purpose - it's part of his marketing strategy. That said: yeah, nobody likes him except fringe nutcases, and people who are both honestly angry at a variety of legitimate issues, but also easily conned.

2) Yes, the GOP is obviously tremendously opposed to Trump. He's not a conservative Republican ideologue.

3) The DNC is also obviously opposed to Trump - but they are waiting, mostly, to besmirch his reputation as they prefer to run against him than either Cruz or Kasich.

No, the Donald's unfavorable ratings are well earned by the jerk himself.

Can't be bought by money? He IS money. He IS his own "special interest". Trump IS big money owning politics. For his own purposes. The only one who isn't at this point is Sanders.

As for all the positions Donald presents, whether any person likes any of them or some of them or none of them - uh, why would you believe a life-long sociopathic, narcissistic, serial lying, demagogue, with zero experience running public policy? Because "he's a businessman?" Ignoring that he's a crappy businessman who's financial success is largely due to illusion and has been involved in many failures and seriously ugly controversies - um, business and governance are diametrically opposed by definition and necessity. Business and government are symbiotically complimentary, but business exists to create profit regardless of methodology effect on society. Government's role is to safeguard society. Business requires governmental regulation. This is one of, if not the, most important issues of this election cycle and these times. Business is controlling government. Yet you want a shamelessly reckless, serially lying businessman to use his own money to buy his way into office where he can wield power for his personal benefit?

P.T. Barnum was right.
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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The problem with poll numbers regarding Sanders now is that he hasn't been vetted yet. The GOP would tear him to shreds over being a self proclaimed socialist, having sympathy towards Cuba's regime and the USSR, and the fact that he wants to tax everybody. Hillary has been vetted the last 25 years. There is nothing new. This benghazi crap is dead and has been nothing but a waste of tax dollars and time. My generation (millennials) seem to be obsessed with Bernie and I don't really get why. When you hear him and Hillary in town halls and interviews he always reverts to the same stump speech about wall street and the Iraq War. Hillary seems to be more realistic and nuanced in her policy discussions. Despite her flaws, she has the experience. With that said both are better than Cruz or Trump.
There's nothing to "vett" with Sanders. lol. He's been an 'out', self-proclaimed socialist since he was a teen. There are no skeletons in his closet to dig out. No scandals to pursue. Cuba's regime is falling and the USSR is long gone, if you hadn't noticed. The USSR hasn't been a bogeyman for decades. And none of Sanders' positions can be shown whatsoever to resemble any true Socialist or Communist path. His policies are democratically socialist in the same way as Europe has - successfully - turned. In the same vein as Social Security and Medicare, which I would point out are fantastically popular with the Republican electorate as well as Democratic.

Sanders' proposals have been successfully presented as not having a net increase in taxes to the average electorate. Pretty much all of the increased tax burdens will be found in closing corporate taxation loopholes and fraud. New taxes such as the financial transaction tax Sanders proposes on stock trading are also supported by Clinton - and, in fact, meet the enthusiastic approval of many conservative economists and financial leadership including Ben Bernanke, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and many more.

There is an illusion about Sanders' lack of realism and experience compared with Clinton's. Sanders has been a CEO as 4-term mayor of the city of Burlington, VT. He has been in congress and the senate for 24 years. Though he was never a "First Lady" or Secretary of State, this is actually more than 3x Clinton's experience as an elected official.
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Old 05-01-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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We want America to be feared and admired, not loved.
You can't be serious. What Newspapers In 13 Countries Are Saying About Donald Trump | ThinkProgress

In Trump, the World Sees 'The Ugly American'
http://www.usnews.com/news/best-coun...-ugly-american
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Old 05-01-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Lol. Oh yeah. That little detail.
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Old 05-01-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: La La Land
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Immigration, [unfair] trade (a concept I no longer support as it is now, a foreign policy that puts America's interest first and makes dependent allies pay and ensures we act only in our interest(s) - wars are a no no unless in OUR interest and last, the necessary strengthening of our military. These are the reasons why we support him. We want America to be feared and admired, not loved. To hell with the old altruistic internationalist/interventionalist American foreign policy. I do not support crap like making Egypt much-less Afghanistan a democracy.
Please make it clear you speak for yourself. The isolationist ideas you cite reflect the political ignorance I mentioned previously.

Denying the global community exists and that a country must be part of it to be successful is just not realistic. Traditional military "strength" means almost nothing in this world as has been repeatedly demonstrated. Damage can be inflicted in many ways, not the least of which (by far) is financially. If America does not play well with others we will find ourselves out of the game.

Trump is a geopolitical infant and looked upon as an idiot by the world leaders he must be able to work with as president. His bluster outside of the campaign trail is his biggest liability, second to his blinding ignorance about almost everything. His wealth is a result of positioning by his father's money and his glaringly unscrupulous business tactics. He appeals to the lowest common denominator because he speaks as one of them. That is not what makes an effective president.

Railing against intelligence because one is intimidated by it does not make one's position a legitimate one.
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Old 05-01-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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Ah, I love this election year. Massive stupidity on all sides and less than quality candidates.
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Old 05-01-2016, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Blah blah blah, ignorance, blah blah blah. I am far from ignorant about foreign and military affairs. Let's leave it at that.
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Old 05-01-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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Ah, I love this election year. Massive stupidity on all sides and less than quality candidates.
I am likewise enjoying the show. But I disagree there are no quality candidates. Kasich and Sanders are each quality guys with high popularity and approval ratings. Each of them have long, quality careers in elected service. Each of them represent strong policy platforms. The only intelligent race would be the two of them respectively. Trump and Cruz are mental cases. Clinton is a shill (but competent to continue the status quo.)
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Old 05-01-2016, 11:22 PM
 
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I am likewise enjoying the show. But I disagree there are no quality candidates. Kasich and Sanders are each quality guys with high popularity and approval ratings. Each of them have long, quality careers in elected service. Each of them represent strong policy platforms. The only intelligent race would be the two of them respectively. Trump and Cruz are mental cases. Clinton is a shill (but competent to continue the status quo.)
Johnson 2016
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:19 AM
 
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Johnson 2016
I stand semi-corrected. Johnson is also not a sociopathic scumbag, true. Problem with Libertarianism is that human history and science don't support the reality that people are capable of cooperating responsibly. It's a total myth that could ever be a reliable system. Many nice illusions. No anthropological science to support it.
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