"Under 750K" (the price of a starter home in OC), and Millennials are not interested? (Anaheim: buy, minimum wage)

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

just confine your answer within the US. am just asking because Republicans are so concerned with high taxes and always cite Texas as a good example but if they don't have oil, where will they get the money to fund their services?


would it be safe to say that if not their oil, they are just like Mississippi or any other flyover country?

Sorry I just don't get the logic behind the question. Texas has a thriving petrol sector because of biological/environmental processes that have occurred over millions of years, it's an inherent part of that landscape. Discussing how Texas would be without oil reserves is a pointless exercise because it wouldn't be Texas anymore, it would something entirely different.

So I don't see the point in engaging in some pointless fantasy scenario where rich oil reserves never existed in Texas.

Now if you want to discuss how Texas would be different if Texas was Democrat controlled, and how they would handle having an abundance of natural oil reserves, then that's a conversation I'd be willing to have and engage in.

[payutenyodagimas]

Im just saying that theres nothing Texas could offer if it has no oil. even the population may not be that big if it has no oil industry. it may just be comparable to Arizona or Nevada or New Mexico but these states have incredible sceneries unlike Texas

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

Im just saying that theres nothing Texas could offer if it has no oil. even the population may not be that big if it has no oil industry. it may just be comparable to Arizona or Nevada or New Mexico but these states have incredible sceneries unlike Texas

Oh yeah? Well... well... what if California had no oxygen, no sunlight, and the ocean dried up? What would California have?

Nothing, because all plant life would die off in a few weeks, and animals would starve to death, so would people, but even if they didn't, they would certainly die of asphyxiation, struggling for one last breath!

At least Texas has oxygen, and you can breath.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Oh yeah? Well... well... what if California had no oxygen, no sunlight, and the ocean dried up? What would California have?

Nothing, because all plant life would die off in a few weeks, and animals would starve to death, so would people, but even if they didn't, they would certainly die of asphyxiation, struggling for one last breath!

At least Texas has oxygen, and you can breath.

Yes what would CA be like without the Pacific Ocean?

Oh, what would CA be like without the oil industry that has been there for a very long time, just like Texas?

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Yes what would CA be like without the Pacific Ocean?

Oh, what would CA be like without the oil industry that has been there for a very long time, just like Texas?

California without the Pacific ocean would be an arid, desolate desert with little plant life beyond low water using shrubs and bushes. There would be no rainfall carried along the coast from Alaska that would feed the snow packs in northern California and no Pacific storms to do the same with Southern California. That would mean the Sacramento river would likely be a small dirty stream that wouldn't extend far beyond the Klamath mountains.

The fishing industry would disappear, the major ports in Oakland and Long Beach would be dusty bowls, and there would be little life in the state beyond snakes, bugs, and small mammals.

The Colorado river does flow into SoCal, so with technology, you might be able to support some small to medium settlements, Los Angeles might be a metro area of around 300,000 total (instead of the nearly 15,000,000 it is today). Politically, California would be a non-factor with such a low population, no agricultural sector to speak of, and without much fresh water beyond what Nevada allowed to flow into the state.

In Northern California, you would primarily have very small mining towns with populations below 5,000 individuals. Outside of these mining towns you would have areas of little to no life like the Sahara or Mojave.

Suffice to say, issues like illegal immigration would disappear, so would gun control, and a myriad of other environmental and social problems because there simply wouldn't be enough people to care or debate such issues.

IMO, it might be a better place.

[Yermum]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

California without the Pacific ocean would be an arid, desolate desert with little plant life beyond low water using shrubs and bushes. There would be no rainfall carried along the coast from Alaska that would feed the snow packs in northern California and no Pacific storms to do the same with Southern California. That would mean the Sacramento river would likely be a small dirty stream that wouldn't extend far beyond the Klamath mountains.

The fishing industry would disappear, the major ports in Oakland and Long Beach would be dusty bowls, and there would be little life in the state beyond snakes, bugs, and small mammals.

It would basically be like Arizona and Nevada.

[Yermum]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Yup, it was one of the causes, among others. Saying Detroit was a one industry city that asians decimated is also a very narrow (and wrong, possibly racist) viewpoint of how Detroit became what it is today, and ignores lots of other factors that lead to the the auto industry being noncompetitive in the first place.

Hogwash.

American cars sucked. It is not "regulations" that caused GM, Ford, and Chevrolet to make an inferior product. Nor is it racist to say that the Japanese came in and smashed Detroit's hold on the auto industry.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

1 - Democrat backed Unions crippled detroit and it's auto industry.

2 - Racist Democrat Mayor Coleman Young chased out white people who took jobs, earnings taxes, corporate taxes, retail dollars, sales taxes, mortgages, interest, property taxes, development dollars, investment dollars, tourism dollars, etc with them to the suburbs (which are doing just fine actually).

3 - Democrat politicians imposed the highest per-capita tax burden on Detroit citizens in the state. Detroit has the country's highest property taxes on homes, the top commercial property tax and the second-highest industrial property tax. This is how you utterly decimate private industry.

This is coming to California, except instead of the UAW, you have the SEIU, CTA, CSEA, etc. Look at the tax burden for small businesses in California. Look at the flight of white, middle-class earners in California.

Does it all seem a "little bit" familiar? It sure does to me. If it wasn't for tech, California would be in huge trouble, and California is slowly losing ground in that industry as well to states like Texas, Oregon, and Washington.

1) Has absolutely nothing to do with regulations or taxation. Not sure why you're bringing this up.

2) The guy was an idiot. And yes, he and his administration had a big part to play in all the problems you mentioned.

3) You mention all of these property taxes coming to CA. I really don't know what you're talking about. CA has some of the lowest property taxes in the country thanks to prop 13.
With regards to the problem in Detroit, I just don't see how higher property taxes causes the auto companies to DECREASE its production/sales. This is what caused the city to die.

Less demand for the product = less production = less jobs = people move away = a whole host of problems. This isn't a complicated idea...

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Yermum

It would basically be like Arizona and Nevada.

That's inaccurate. About 90% of the volume of the lower Colorado originates in Northern Arizona (which itself flows from the Western Mountains in Colorado).

Nevada also benefits from water that originates in the Colorado mountains.

California is completely dependent on snow pack from the Pacific and from the Colorado. So without snow pack from Pacific storms, California would actually be much worse off than current day Arizona and Nevada.

Think Sahara desert, almost a complete dust bowl.

[ashpelham]

Originally Posted by spoonman1

Just left OC due to the high cost of housing. My wife and I are college educated professionals earning well into six figures. We have a young daughter and decided to build a new home in Arizona rather than buy a shack in OC so I can pay for an aging boomer's retirement.

I applaud this decision.

[ashpelham]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Why should it be possible? Do "middle income" earners buy homes in Manhattan? Do they buy homes in the middle of North Beach in San Francisco?

There are places where middle income earners simply cannot afford to live, and it's no one's job to make it "more affordable" for those people. That's an entitlement issue, not an affordability one IMO.

This is true. The kingdom is still off limits to the poor and unwashed.

Amerika.