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I know we are talking about doctors, nurses, hospital policy, etc but I would like to add some more information. i lived in D.C. when Ethel was having all those babies. it was a running joke that there were no rules in that house, the kids ran the help crazy and that Ethel could hardly keep any staff at all because the kids were never disciplined.
There is a famous sketch done by jackie of Ethel screaming with her hands to her face as another cook walks off the job. i interviewed for an administrative position at Hickory Hill, the kennedy compound and was seriously considering taking the job but after talking to several friends on the Hill, I declined because anybody who worked in any capacity for Ethel was considered fair game as a baby sitter. Even Roosevelt Greer ended up as a baby sitter. So I'm not one bit surprised that this man decided the rules didn't apply to him and he would just do whatever he wanted.
Its none of anyone's business what he does with his child. At 2 days old both my kids were at home already. I hope he sues the hell out of them.Just another example of why I hate my wife giving birth in the hospital...to many nosy people telling us what we can and can't do.
If you hate the hospital and their security and safety policies, you can always stay out of them, home birth for example.
The stupid thing is to sign into a hospital and then expect you can do whatever you please even if it's against every policy and regulation.
Even if his parental rights were being violated (they weren't because the rules of the maternity ward were clear), he endangered his baby with his unruly behavior.
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While holding the child in his right arm, Kennedy kicked Luciano in the pelvis with his right foot, knocking her backward onto the floor, police said.
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As he did this, Kennedy fell onto the floor with the baby in his arms. Kennedy then got up and ran "down the stairs with the infant until he was stopped by security and escorted back to the infant's room," the police report said.
A lawyer for Kennedy said the baby was not injured and slept through the altercation.
He does claim he had permission to take the baby off the ward, but I don't believe that for a minute. The nurse he assaulted is about 5 ft tall and around 110 lbs if that. Here's what one of the nurses has to say.
I know we are talking about doctors, nurses, hospital policy, etc but I would like to add some more information. i lived in D.C. when Ethel was having all those babies. it was a running joke that there were no rules in that house, the kids ran the help crazy and that Ethel could hardly keep any staff at all because the kids were never disciplined.
There is a famous sketch done by jackie of Ethel screaming with her hands to her face as another cook walks off the job. i interviewed for an administrative position at Hickory Hill, the kennedy compound and was seriously considering taking the job but after talking to several friends on the Hill, I declined because anybody who worked in any capacity for Ethel was considered fair game as a baby sitter. Even Roosevelt Greer ended up as a baby sitter. So I'm not one bit surprised that this man decided the rules didn't apply to him and he would just do whatever he wanted.
Yes, even Ethel acknowledged, publicly, that her kids acted like animals. And of course, it is well documented that Ethel was a rager, would beat the heck outta the boys when in a rage, and the household was completely out of control after Bobby's death.
My favorite story is that at one point, Ethel felt the boys were so out of control - she locked all the doors at "Horror Hill" and wouldn't let them come back in the house - even to SLEEP. She said they lived like animals so they could just sleep outside like animals. When one of the kids complained that he needed to come inside to use the bathroom, she threw several rolls of toilet paper out a window to them and told them to go sh&t in the woods.
True story (and maybe you have already heard it, Kudzu).
All a person has to do is google it . . . anyone can see how these people were raised. Ethel felt she was above the law when it came to anything as simple as paying a parking ticket . . . there are so many stories from eye witnesses, former household employees, neighbors, family members . . . it doesn't take much to figure out why one of Ethel's kids would think he is above having to adhere to a hospital policy, lol.
Yes, even Ethel acknowledged, publicly, that her kids acted like animals. And of course, it is well documented that Ethel was a rager, would beat the heck outta the boys when in a rage, and the household was completely out of control after Bobby's death.
My favorite story is that at one point, Ethel felt the boys were so out of control - she locked all the doors at "Horror Hill" and wouldn't let them come back in the house - even to SLEEP. She said they lived like animals so they could just sleep outside like animals. When one of the kids complained that he needed to come inside to use the bathroom, she threw several rolls of toilet paper out a window to them and told them to go sh&t in the woods.
True story (and maybe you have already heard it, Kudzu).
All a person has to do is google it . . . anyone can see how these people were raised. Ethel felt she was above the law when it came to anything as simple as paying a parking ticket . . . there are so many stories from eye witnesses, former household employees, neighbors, family members . . . it doesn't take much to figure out why one of Ethel's kids would think he is above having to adhere to a hospital policy, lol.
Good grief...I guess it would explain his behavior. I'll have to do some googling.
Good grief...I guess it would explain his behavior. I'll have to do some googling.
And lots of interesting books out there, as well.
Of course, no one is one-dimensional and I am sure Ethel did a lot of other very noteworthy things with her life (raising money for various causes, for ex). And I cannot imagine being widowed at her young age (especially under the horrible circumstances) and having to raise 11 kids alone. But yeah, that household was out of control . . .
I think the violent, over-reactive behavior of Douglas Kennedy is easy to understand when put in context w/ how physically assaultive Ethel was with her own children.
Sounds like everyone overreacted to me - based on the brief interview I saw this morning. However, I couldn't see the film very well of the security camera - looks like he kicked or threw one of the nurses?
No excuse for that.
But, it also sounds like they were aware that he was the father. I don't know. We went home after like one night so doesn't sound all that unreasonable to me.
Sounds like everyone overreacted to me - based on the brief interview I saw this morning. However, I couldn't see the film very well of the security camera - looks like he kicked or threw one of the nurses?
No excuse for that.
But, it also sounds like they were aware that he was the father. I don't know. We went home after like one night so doesn't sound all that unreasonable to me.
They weren't going home. The baby was not discharged. He was taking the baby out for a "walk", on a Saturday night in January. It gets pretty cold in Jan. once the sun goes down, even on a 60 degree day, which it apparently was in NY that day. If that had been a kidnapping, those nurses would have been praised to high heaven for intervening. If the dad weren't a celebrity, he would be condemned for treating hospital personnel like that. I'm glad the hospital is supporting the nurses.
Though this story may seem crazy to nurses, it doesn't surprise me too much that some parents may do something a little nutty in a maternity ward. I gave birth to all three of my children in the same large hospital, which is virtually a baby factory because of the number of births it handles. Nothing I learned before giving birth prepared me for the hospital experience. With my first child, I was shocked by the restrictions-being forced to lay in bed when dealing with contractions when I wanted to stand or walk, being awaken over and over and over after giving birth for every little thing under the sun. I tried to refuse Excedrin and stuff, but they would still wake me up to see if I wanted some. They would disturb me to ask if I wanted to participate in medical studies, etc. During one stay, they would not allow me to take my own Thyroid medicine that I've been taking every morning for 20 years. They wanted to wake me up in the morning to give me one from the pharmacy, which was a waste of money among other things because I had my prescription. It seemed like the medical staff valued their routines, but did not value patient needs--particularly sleep!
By the time my last child was born, things really were crazy. When I arrived at the hospital, they handed me a stack of papers two inches thick that I was supposed to sign before giving birth. No problem--in the very short break between my excruciatingly painful contractions, I would like nothing better than to read and sign legal and medical documents.
After giving birth, the nurses and medical techs appeared like clockwork to do the standard mother and baby checks. However, they would not do simple things, like get me toilet paper. I had to beg for hours for that. We also had to beg for food. I just missed lunch, and they would not come back around with a meal until my husband handled the problem. Another time I had a nurse talk to me in a condescending way when she walked in the room, and my daughter had filled her diaper when we were both sleeping. She tried to grab my baby and lecture me for not changing her yet. Okay lady--once again human beings need SLEEP. Plus this is my third child--I think I can change a diaper. We did ask for early discharge and had to wait for the doctor to approve. If it wasn't for that safety device on my child's wrist--I may have been tempted to tell the nurses I'm leaving and walked out too! While I certainly understand the need for safety, some maternity wards could do a much better job. I went to this hospital mainly because I thought the doctors would be able to help if there ended up being a medical emergency during the births. Aside from that, there wasn't much else that made you want to stay there.
Though this story may seem crazy to nurses, it doesn't surprise me too much that some parents may do something a little nutty in a maternity ward. I gave birth to all three of my children in the same large hospital, which is virtually a baby factory because of the number of births it handles. Nothing I learned before giving birth prepared me for the hospital experience. With my first child, I was shocked by the restrictions-being forced to lay in bed when dealing with contractions when I wanted to stand or walk, being awaken over and over and over after giving birth for every little thing under the sun. I tried to refuse Excedrin and stuff, but they would still wake me up to see if I wanted some. During one stay, they would not allow me to take my own Thyroid medicine that I've been taking every morning for 20 years. They wanted to wake me up in the morning to give me one from the pharmacy, which was a waste of money among other things because I had my prescription. It seemed like the medical staff valued their routines, but did not value patient needs--particularly sleep!
After giving birth, the nurses and medical techs appeared like clockwork to do the standard mother and baby checks. However, they would not do simple things, like get me toilet paper. I had to beg for hours for that. We also had to beg for food. We did ask for early discharge and had to wait for the doctor to approve. If it wasn't for that safety device on my child's wrist--I may have been tempted to tell the nurses I'm leaving and walked out too! While I certainly understand the need for safety, some maternity wards could do a much better job.
You raise some good points. however it hasn't been the standard of practice to not allow women to stand or walk during contractions for a very long time....I guess that would be one situation where research would be helpful in finding out policies.
As far as your example about your thyroid medication, there are a lot of reasons why hospitals have specific medication policies. Much of it is about safety and preventing medication errors.
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