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People advocate spanking and in the same breath claim that kids are out of control in school.
Spanking a kid is low-level discipline. I'm not a psychologist, but there are plenty of studies out there that track kids' development with and without corporal punishment. Why do people insist on saying they turned out great? It's pretty obvious, even on an anonymous board, who didn't turn out great. Even if you think you turned out great, you'll never know if you could have been better sans the spankings.
Spanking is a centuries old tradition, it is not some new evil idea. If a parent can't tell the difference between an appropriate slap on the bottom and child abuse, then, by all means, they should probably never lay a hand on a kid because they simply don't understand.
Why do people insist they turned out great? Probably because they did turn out great. It's at the other end of the spectrum where kids turn out horrible, the extreme where they don't receive discipline that is effective and they never learn self discipline or control. Kids who never had any rules or punishments--those are the kids who have no respect for others and do whatever they want.
If you were a teacher and you got a few of those undisciplined kids in your classroom, you wouldn't even be able to teach the class anything because you'd be so busy trying to teach proper behavior to kids who didn't learn it at home.
Believe me, there are many, many generations of people who lived before you and were spanked. They turned out fine. They weren't in jail or on drugs. One reason is that they were taught, not only by spanking when appropriate but by other means that worked for them. We are not talking about child abuse and this idea that spanking a child=child abuse is over the top crazy.
p.s. for the guy who wants to beat up his kid for throwing a tantrum, that IS child abuse. Do you see the difference? That guy obviously has an anger problem, based upon his other posts, and can't control himself.
So a white lady saw my friend slap her son yesterday, in the train station.
I did not see this brought up yet, but outside the ACS issue and punishment in public issue...
Why would anyone strike a child in the face with force? What we know now about the ease of causing brain damage with blows to the head over time, why would a parent do an act so highly likely to cause permanent injury? Even a fairly light slap can cause a contra-concussion in an adult. A hard blow delivered while in strong emotion to a child? Extremely high chance of a concussion (not to mention the risk of breaking facial bones).
Spanking is a centuries old tradition, it is not some new evil idea. If a parent can't tell the difference between an appropriate slap on the bottom and child abuse, then, by all means, they should probably never lay a hand on a kid because they simply don't understand.
Why do people insist they turned out great? Probably because they did turn out great. It's at the other end of the spectrum where kids turn out horrible, the extreme where they don't receive discipline that is effective and they never learn self discipline or control. Kids who never had any rules or punishments--those are the kids who have no respect for others and do whatever they want.
If you were a teacher and you got a few of those undisciplined kids in your classroom, you wouldn't even be able to teach the class anything because you'd be so busy trying to teach proper behavior to kids who didn't learn it at home.
Believe me, there are many, many generations of people who lived before you and were spanked. They turned out fine. They weren't in jail or on drugs. One reason is that they were taught, not only by spanking when appropriate but by other means that worked for them. We are not talking about child abuse and this idea that spanking a child=child abuse is over the top crazy.
p.s. for the guy who wants to beat up his kid for throwing a tantrum, that IS child abuse. Do you see the difference? That guy obviously has an anger problem, based upon his other posts, and can't control himself.
1) I was a teacher in inner-city high schools, so I've worked with all kids. You never stoop to a kid's level. Raise your voice and they'll raise theirs. Spank and they'll hit (not toward the parent, but to others). Those that think they are making the lives of teachers easier by spanking at home have it wrong. You are raising impulsive kids that lack self esteem.
2) I myself was spanked. Sure, it didn't turn me into a criminal, but it was not the most effective. I lashed out at my siblings physically all the time.
3) As a parent of four, the only one I spanked was my first. I realized after the first spanking that it did nothing. There are more effective ways. (I'll point out that my kids don't hit each other.) But as other posters have pointed out, those other discipline methods take more patience and time (and education).
4) Sure spanking has been the default parenting method since the beginning of mankind. Today we have studies to examine the effects of many human behaviors. Those that want to ignore the effects of spanking can continue to use primitive methods of discipline - just don't expect others to applaud you.
I did not see this brought up yet, but outside the ACS issue and punishment in public issue...
Why would anyone strike a child in the face with force? What we know now about the ease of causing brain damage with blows to the head over time, why would a parent do an act so highly likely to cause permanent injury? Even a fairly light slap can cause a contra-concussion in an adult. A hard blow delivered while in strong emotion to a child? Extremely high chance of a concussion (not to mention the risk of breaking facial bones).
I just re-read the OP thinking I had missed something.
Where did you get that the child was slapped in the face? It didn't say that.
I hope the below doesn't mean your a teacher. . .hate to think that lack of logic is what we teach people
Appeal to tradition is not a logical argument. It has no basis. Appeal to tradition doesn't change the fact that something is or should be right or wrong. It has no impact on evidence. It is really. . for all intents and purposes . . .irrelevant
Tradition also says the world was flat, slavery was okay, killing people for stealing - no problem, and if you work on Saturday you get put to death. Just because we survived these things, isn't justification that they are okay and should be condoned.
Appeal to tradition (also known as proof from tradition, appeal to common practice, argumentum ad antiquitatem) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way." - Wikipedia.
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Spanking is a centuries old tradition, it is not some new evil idea. If a parent can't tell the difference between an appropriate slap on the bottom and child abuse, then, by all means, they should probably never lay a hand on a kid because they simply don't understand.
Why do people insist they turned out great? Probably because they did turn out great. It's at the other end of the spectrum where kids turn out horrible, the extreme where they don't receive discipline that is effective and they never learn self discipline or control. Kids who never had any rules or punishments--those are the kids who have no respect for others and do whatever they want.
If you were a teacher and you got a few of those undisciplined kids in your classroom, you wouldn't even be able to teach the class anything because you'd be so busy trying to teach proper behavior to kids who didn't learn it at home.
Believe me, there are many, many generations of people who lived before you and were spanked. They turned out fine. They weren't in jail or on drugs. One reason is that they were taught, not only by spanking when appropriate but by other means that worked for them. We are not talking about child abuse and this idea that spanking a child=child abuse is over the top crazy.
p.s. for the guy who wants to beat up his kid for throwing a tantrum, that IS child abuse. Do you see the difference? That guy obviously has an anger problem, based upon his other posts, and can't control himself.
Spanking is a centuries old tradition, it is not some new evil idea.
You're right, it is a centuries old idea. As is the right of a husband to spank his wife for disobeying, or his slave for disobeying him. After all, all those wives and slaves turned out just fine, and really, it's the only efficient way to keep them under control. Ah, the halcyon days of Dickens, when everyone was perfect because they were raised right.
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Why do people insist they turned out great? Probably because they did turn out great. It's at the other end of the spectrum where kids turn out horrible, the extreme where they don't receive discipline that is effective and they never learn self discipline or control. Kids who never had any rules or punishments--those are the kids who have no respect for others and do whatever they want.
Yes, but why are you ignoring the 99% in the middle who use normal methods of discipline?
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Believe me, there are many, many generations of people who lived before you and were spanked. They turned out fine. They weren't in jail or on drugs. One reason is that they were taught, not only by spanking when appropriate but by other means that worked for them. We are not talking about child abuse and this idea that spanking a child=child abuse is over the top crazy.
Huh, I never knew that!!! I'd always been taught that my country was started as a penal colony, but they must have been lying, because there was no need for jails then. Crazy! I wonder what they're trying to hide?
You're right, it is a centuries old idea. As is the right of a husband to spank his wife for disobeying, or his slave for disobeying him. After all, all those wives and slaves turned out just fine, and really, it's the only efficient way to keep them under control. Ah, the halcyon days of Dickens, when everyone was perfect because they were raised right.
Yes, but why are you ignoring the 99% in the middle who use normal methods of discipline?
Huh, I never knew that!!! I'd always been taught that my country was started as a penal colony, but they must have been lying, because there was no need for jails then. Crazy! I wonder what they're trying to hide?
You say 99% in the middle use normal discipline. Normal discipline by your standards then seems to have been a complete failure. All you have to do is look at the little animals running around today.
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