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Old 03-25-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Folsom
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Originally Posted by Ollie1946 View Post
As a "religious" person, I know the origin of my values and opinions on morality. Right from wrong. Where do the non religious get theirs from? Is it just built in? If one does not believe in a higher being to which there is some accountability, then why adhere to any set of moral values at all? What difference does it make?

To the poster who believes that religious people are brainwashed and delusional, that makes us even. I believe the same thing about the non religious.
The non religious get their morals from the golden rules, which by the way, is based on religion ( the 10 commandments). Yeah, the golden rules...."what the good people do." I believe someone has already listed some of them.
don't lie
Don't cheat
Don't steal
don't commit crimes
Don't do (illegal) drugs...oops, I added that one

 
Old 03-25-2013, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Folsom
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It comes off disillusioned because there is no proof. The idea that some being created an entire planet in 7 days and that he still controls the planet.

The fact that religion said the everything revolved around the earth, no it doesn't, it's the sun.
That evolution doesn't exist, ok explain cave men and people now.
The fact that science has disproved a lot of things.

Religion, god, none of it seems credible to me and look at the Old Testament, something in there against wearing mixed fabrics and conveniently it's different in the New Testament because the world is different now.

Science has disproved so much about religion.

So to believe in and worship something that no one has concrete proof of, seems a little crazy to some.
that's why it's called "faith"
The Bible makes no sense to the unbelievers & scoffers
Actually, science has proven quite a bit of Biblical history

ahhhh.... But this isn't the religious forum
 
Old 03-25-2013, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Originally Posted by txtqueen View Post
It comes off disillusioned because there is no proof. The idea that some being created an entire planet in 7 days and that he still controls the planet.

The fact that religion said the everything revolved around the earth, no it doesn't, it's the sun.
That evolution doesn't exist, ok explain cave men and people now.
The fact that science has disproved a lot of things.

Religion, god, none of it seems credible to me and look at the Old Testament, something in there against wearing mixed fabrics and conveniently it's different in the New Testament because the world is different now.

Science has disproved so much about religion.

So to believe in and worship something that no one has concrete proof of, seems a little crazy to some.
Well, I guess you are in the somewhat unenviable position of calling at least 75% of our nation crazy. No worries, it used to be over 90%.

Still, if you want tolerance for your viewpoint, you might want to grant some to those that have a different opinion. Or you can stay in the "I am always right and anyone that disagrees with me is crazy" mode and see how far that gets you.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Well, I guess you are in the somewhat unenviable position of calling at least 75% of our nation crazy. No worries, it used to be over 90%.

Still, if you want tolerance for your viewpoint, you might want to grant some to those that have a different opinion. Or you can stay in the "I am always right and anyone that disagrees with me is crazy" mode and see how far that gets you.
BTW, I also disagree with some extremist religious people that think their view is the only correct one and are equally intolerant. I tell them we have freedom of religion in this country. I just wanted to provide perspective.
 
Old 03-26-2013, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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It comes off disillusioned because there is no proof. The idea that some being created an entire planet in 7 days and that he still controls the planet.

The fact that religion said the everything revolved around the earth, no it doesn't, it's the sun.
That evolution doesn't exist, ok explain cave men and people now.
The fact that science has disproved a lot of things.

Religion, god, none of it seems credible to me and look at the Old Testament, something in there against wearing mixed fabrics and conveniently it's different in the New Testament because the world is different now.

Science has disproved so much about religion.

So to believe in and worship something that no one has concrete proof of, seems a little crazy to some.
First of all, that's way off topic. Second of all, you really, really need to educate yourself on religion. You obviously have no idea what religious teachings are (not in 1500).
 
Old 03-26-2013, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix,az
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you could have safely put the title morally deprived world.
That is exactly right. It is a morally deprived world. To dive into public education where that garbage is spread and kids learn all that bad horse hockey, that you have to smack right out of them. Between the dangers and the bad habits, public schooling isn't worth the funding.

To go back to the comment about letting their child watch porn or junk television over going to church, is a serious troll move. Nice try, but I've been around the interwebs longer then you, and you sir failed.
 
Old 03-26-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: SW FL
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I think it is greater today and especially with the technology. Back when I was a child it was just through popular culture magazines and TV. Now you have computers and mobile apps for access to the celebrity and yes, you are right that a lot of it is trivial. I think a sports celebrity is less to be concerned about, especially if the child plays sports. The celebrities that are media created (Kardashian) and have no real talent get way too much publicity.

The essential "test" is whether it is just one of a number of things the child does or is it an obsession that stops the child from completing homework assignments, household chores, etc.

I am in my early 50's and when I was young, I had the crush on Raquel Welch that most guys had and for my sister it was Donny Osmond and David Cassidy. It did not stop us from doing what needed to be done and never became the obsession it is for some today. My advice would be to set limits (stricter during school week; looser on weekends if the homework is done), To try to take it all away suddenly might result in the child rebelling. Just ignore them when they say other parents let their kids do more. That is usually exaggerated and you are not "other parents" anyways.

I am sure you will be fine and at least you are realistic and have a sense of priorities compared to a lot of parents. I wish more parents had your attitude. Kudos!
You make valid points here, but I'd like to clarify that I'm not a parent. I'm just now graduating high school
 
Old 03-26-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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You make valid points here, but I'd like to clarify that I'm not a parent. I'm just now graduating high school
Top five things that you have personally seen with your own eyes during school that show no morals? Not "i heard" - first reporter basis..
 
Old 03-26-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Finland
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But the OP isn't a woman raising kids. It's a high school senior, who has yet to raise any children. Those of us down in the trenches know that alarmist posts really are a lot of ado about....not much. Trends die out, and people have been lamenting the downfall of our youth for decades already. It hasn't happened.
Not just decades, Socrates lamented the downfall of the youth of his day. The youth of "today" are always terrible but then they grow up and become less terrible so I'm not too worried for my child growing up in this world although I do hope she won't be too terrible as a teenager, I wasn't so I have some hope for her.
 
Old 03-26-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Celeb culture serves as a fairly destructive force because it causes people to apply their energy to the wrong places, promotes superficiality/narcissism, and, worst of all, diminishes a sense of civil responsibility that should be more prevalent.
It does all of that, granted, but even so it's probably less immoral and less destructive than certain other possible preoccupations like jingoism and religious intolerance, to name two.

Besides, parents who teach by example can counteract most of the worst effects of the celebrity stupidity.
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