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Old 10-06-2009, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Those things are paid for today using property taxes, just as they were paid for a century ago.
Property taxes do not fund federal programs. Federal funds are used for education, social programs, transportation, health care, Homeland Security, etc., as well as Department of Defense, which makes up a big chunk of the pie chart.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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'Fair share' of the burden?

100 years ago there was no shared burden. This is a relatively new concept among Americans.

I think that it is a Socialist or Communist concept. Where did it come from?
From past posts, I seem to remember you are drawing a military pension. Where does the money for that come from, comrade?
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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From past posts, I seem to remember you are drawing a military pension. Where does the money for that come from, comrade?
Yes I am a US servicemember. I did not pay income taxes while I served on Active Duty either.

Now, where did it come from before 1935? Before the common citizen began paying income taxes?
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Property taxes do not fund federal programs. Federal funds are used for education, social programs, transportation, health care, Homeland Security, etc., as well as Department of Defense, which makes up a big chunk of the pie chart.
The quote that I quoted listed:
"fire and police protection, military, decent roads, schools"

How wonderful it is to see you listing a bunch of things that were outside of my quote.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The quote that I quoted listed:
"fire and police protection, military, decent roads, schools"

How wonderful it is to see you listing a bunch of things that were outside of my quote.
???? Dept. of Defense (military), transportation (roads), and education (schools), were not outside your quote.

In addition, state and local governments often receive federal funding earmarked for specific projects (example - California has received federal funds to fight the recent forest fires).
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Old 10-07-2009, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Sputnik Planitia
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middle class in Southern California is more like $150,000 single income and $250,000 joint, perhaps 3X or 4X the national figures. Entry level homes (1700-1800sqft) still cost $500,000-600,000 here, ludicrous but true...and this is AFTER the 25% correction we have had. Taxes should be geographically indexed.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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middle class in Southern California is more like $150,000 single income and $250,000 joint, perhaps 3X or 4X the national figures. Entry level homes (1700-1800sqft) still cost $500,000-600,000 here, ludicrous but true...and this is AFTER the 25% correction we have had. Taxes should be geographically indexed.
Actually, that's not a bad idea. I don't know that I've ever heard anyone propose this, but it makes sense. You can't really compare incomes dollar for dollar because the cost of living is so diverse in this country.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I really can't see why there should be deductions for mortgages, dependent children, etc.

All of those things are choices people make. I see no reason to reduce taxes for people with children (I have 3). I see no reason to reduce taxes for homeowners.

These deductions end up being incentives or behavior modification.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I really can't see why there should be deductions for mortgages, dependent children, etc.

All of those things are choices people make. I see no reason to reduce taxes for people with children (I have 3). I see no reason to reduce taxes for homeowners.

These deductions end up being incentives or behavior modification.
I somewhat understand an incentive to buy a home. I don't know if it's true or not, but the perception is that homeowners are more productive and stable members of society; that they are more prone to maintain and care for their neighborhoods. If nothing else, they help with the state and local tax base by paying property taxes.

I guess tax breaks of all types are to provide more disposable income to people (and corporations) so that they will then pump it into the economy.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I really can't see why there should be deductions for mortgages, dependent children, etc.

All of those things are choices people make. I see no reason to reduce taxes for people with children (I have 3). I see no reason to reduce taxes for homeowners.

These deductions end up being incentives or behavior modification.
Tax Theory 101 - when I was in college stated that income tax's primary purpose is to passively influence the behavior of the masses.

It is not to derive income for the government.
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