"There are no good schools in the city." (Doylestown: condo, crime)

[1ondoner]

As you will see from the map in the link below, good schools are few and not many as you claim. There's nothing unique about this, the same is repeated in all cities around the country and Philly is not an exception. Fix your schools.


https://www.greatschools.org/pennsyl...hool-district/

Nothing to debate here, I rest my case.

Originally Posted by MB1562

...and many more I'm just not thinking of right now.

There are a lot of lower performing schools in the city, true. But there are also so many that are top-notch and offer something just as good, if not better, then your precious little suburbs.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

As you will see from the map in the link below, good schools are few and not many as you claim. There's nothing unique about this, the same is repeated in all cities around the country and Philly is not an exception. Fix your schools.


https://www.greatschools.org/pennsyl...hool-district/

Nothing to debate here, I rest my case.

Great schools has a formula that can make a school look worse than it actually is.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

Great schools has a formula that can make a school look worse than it actually is.

That's already been pointed out to him.

Sandy, who is so wonderfully articulate and informational, wasted his time creating this thread since the poster it was directed toward has all the "facts" he wants about it.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

As you will see from the map in the link below, good schools are few and not many as you claim. There's nothing unique about this, the same is repeated in all cities around the country and Philly is not an exception. Fix your schools.


https://www.greatschools.org/pennsyl...hool-district/

Nothing to debate here, I rest my case.

Except for one thing. I will repeat the quote from you that I used to start this thread:

"There are no good schools in the city."

One rule debate coaches give to their students is: Never use the words "always" or "never." It's too easy for your opponents to trip you up by finding exceptions to the rule.

You tripped yourself up in that same fashion by using a blanket absolute. We have found good schools in the city and named them, and these schools do get good ratings on the major ranking sites - grades of B-minus or better on Niche and 7 or better on GreatSchools. (I prefer Niche for reasons I've explained over on that other thread, including that they include diversity as a factor in determining their grades.)

Ergo, your statement has been disproved. I rest my case here, Counselor.

That doesn't mean the schools don't need fixing, by the way. I have never said that. I just said that they weren't as bad as people made them out to be, and I'll add to that statement, "at least some of them."

Sorry to drag NewtownBucks into this, but I find it useful to contrast her attitude to yours. She clearly likes and prefers suburban life, as, it appears, do you. But she harbors no animus towards either city living or those who prefer it. I often get the impression that you do harbor such an animus and find us urbanophiles at least disingenuous and maybe worse.

If you've read what I've had to say about this region's urban places, I think you will allow that I have good things to say about city and suburbs, and bad things to say about both. There is a form of suburban development I prefer, and this region is blessed to have that form in abundance; thus I don't hesitate to recommend certain suburban destinations to those who might find them suitable. But if someone expresses an interest in living in the city, which the OP on that other thread did, I will do what I can to help that person find a city neighborhood that meets their needs.

Including recommending charter or magnet schools their children can attend if they can't find a home within a given public school's catchment.

[1ondoner]

On the contrary, I don't think it captures drug issues and other behavioral problems.

Why else do you think the city is overrun by unruly teens? No wonder parents throw block parties when their kids graduate from high school because it's a huge achievement.

Originally Posted by southbound_295

Great schools has a formula that can make a school look worse than it actually is.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

On the contrary, I don't think it captures drug issues and other behavioral problems.

Why else do you think the city is overrun by unruly teens? No wonder parents throw block parties when their kids graduate from high school because it's a huge achievement.

There are multiple websites that deal with schools. They vary in their grading methods.

As to drugs, if you think that they aren't in the suburbs & haven't been in the suburbs for decades, you are oblivious to reality. They are everywhere, including rural America. That goes back to many things, including home life, & is not a function of a school.

[acenturi]

Negadelphian, go back to Camden/Westminster/East End and leave us alone - enough already !!!

[1ondoner]

I like the way you are downplaying the pervasiveness of drugs in the city. This is the problem with communities in the city. Drug use is excused and even tolerated when it's effects are there for all to see. Then the residents will blame everyone else but themselves for their misery.

With this kind of attitude I don't see the situation in public schools changing soon.

PS. I'm for decriminalization of drugs but I'm against legalization of drugs. Teens should be protected from drugs until they are old enough to screw up their lives.

Originally Posted by southbound_295

As to drugs, if you think that they aren't in the suburbs & haven't been in the suburbs for decades, you are oblivious to reality. They are everywhere, including rural America. That goes back to many things, including home life, & is not a function of a school.

[1ondoner]

Ha haha ha. London has really changed. Camden is no longer the epicenter for Goths and the East End has been revitalized by the 2012 Olympic games. You'd be shocked if you set foot on East London. The new Eurostar terminal is in Stratford, off all the places in London. 10 yrs ago this would have been unthought of.

Originally Posted by acenturi

Negadelphian, go back to Camden/Westminster/East End and leave us alone - enough already !!!

[Huckleberry3911948]

There are only two factors —the students and the teachers
Buildings dont do anything -they just stare at each other
The qualifications for being teacher are many and severe consequences for failure to meet them
What are the qualifications for being a student and consequences for not meeting them??????????