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Old 10-31-2013, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It seems to me that putting those two concepts together is a conflict of social philosophy. The term "Lgbt" implies that men and women are to be referred to separately (Lesbian and Gay), and there is no acceptable, "sensitive" term encompassing people of both genders who share the characteristic of non-traditional sexual orientation. Doesn't that distinction, enforced by political correctness, by itself imply an absence and rejection of "gender equality"?

Lesbians refuse to be classified as Gay, exactly at a time when Actresses insist on being called Actors and Hostesses to be called Hosts.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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It seems to me that putting those two concepts together is a conflict of social philosophy. The term "Lgbt" implies that men and women are to be referred to separately (Lesbian and Gay), and there is no acceptable, "sensitive" term encompassing people of both genders who share the characteristic of non-traditional sexual orientation. Doesn't that distinction, enforced by political correctness, by itself imply an absence and rejection of "gender equality"?

Lesbians refuse to be classified as Gay, exactly at a time when Actresses insist on being called Actors and Hostesses to be called Hosts.
No, no more than your (and my and everyone's) use of 'men' and 'women' - which, as you put it, refers to men and women seperately. Why do we do that? Because men and women are different. So are lesbians and gay men. Differences do not imply inequality.

The English language happens to have a single word which refers solely to homosexual women, but no such word that refers solely to homosexual men. This is a vagary of the language, for which lesbians are not responsible. It is also not logical to expect that one person who is a lesbian and who rejects the descriptive gender-neutral 'gay' to be responsble for the linguistic preferences of a female host who uses that word, 'host', as a gender-less descriptive.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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The lesbians I know call themselves gay easily.

Why do so many people think we know what these abbreviations mean anyway?
LGBT.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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I feel like all these labels and classifications just ostracizes people more and is far too complicated.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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The lesbians I know call themselves gay easily.

Why do so many people think we know what these abbreviations mean anyway?
LGBT.
If you do not know what LGBT means then just ask, its not hard. At some point we all had to ask what it meant even people in the community. Or better yet just Google it.

Lesbians are gay but gay guys are not lesbians. So the word gay means both but lesbians only means women who like women.

Here is a skit from Golden Girls that is really funny about this topic. To lighten the mood.

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Old 10-31-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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OK, let's see. If an insensitive pundit uses the term "gay" to include both men and women, who is it that feels offended by the gaffe? Gay men or Lesbian women? Which side is enforcing the orthodoxy that LGBT be used? Is it Rachel Maddow or Barney Frank who interrupts the discussion and corrects the offending speaker who uses "gay" as genderless, like "people" or "citizens" or "adults" or "parents" (all of which are perfectly gender-neutral). Is it Rachel who says "I'm not one of them, I'm a woman" or is it Barney who says "She's not one of us, she's a woman"?

And how is the spirit of Gender Equality reflected in that?

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Old 10-31-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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Gender equality doesn't exist because a cisgender male is praised for banging several women, but a cisgender female is called a wh*re, sl*t, or ho for banging several men.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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OK, let's see. If an insensitive pundit uses the term "gay" to include both men and women, who is it that feels offended by the gaffe? Gay men or Lesbian women? Which side is enforcing the orthodoxy that LGBT be used? Is it Rachel Maddow or Barney Frank who interrupts the discussion and corrects the offending speaker who uses "gay" as genderless, like "people" or "citizens" or "adults" or "parents" (all of which are perfectly gender-neutral). Is it Rachel who says "I'm not one of them, I'm a woman" or is it Barney who says "She's not one of us, she's a woman"?

And how is the spirit of Gender Equality reflected in that?
Actually gay can be refereed to both so your example is not applicable.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Gender equality doesn't exist because a cisgender male is praised for banging several women, but a cisgender female is called a wh*re, sl*t, or ho for banging several men.
Well when your gay you get both at the same time. Personally I think people make to much out of sex. Its just sex who cares how much or little someone has sex.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Actually gay can be refereed to both so your example is not applicable.
Why then does the term LGBT exist, and militantly defenced, if "gay" is all that is needed? What is the L in there for?
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