Red Light Ticket - Company Car (school, subdivision, live in) - Phoenix area - Arizona (AZ) - City-Data Forum

bigDwiki · 07-26-2017, 08:01 PM

I have been seeing a lot of threads about red light cameras. What if you're driving a company vehicle? Obviously, red light violations are criminal - not civil. Thus, they must be filed against people. There's no way to charge a company with a crime. How does this process work in AZ?

AZJoeD · 07-26-2017, 08:14 PM

I suspect they will send the notice to the company. If I was a business owner and one of my drivers ran a red light I would need to have a talk with him/her. The business could be liable big time for the actions of their employees. They might be forgiving once (twice?), but not too often.

Ponderosa · 07-26-2017, 08:14 PM

Red light violation is not criminal. Not in Arizona anyway. I don't know how they handle the camera. Maybe mail it to the registered owner and ask for the identity of the driver? If they do get you, you have to go to red light traffic school. You can also do defensive driving if eligible and once you complete these things the ticket (and points etc) are dismissed.

bigDwiki · 07-26-2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Red light violation is not criminal. Not in Arizona anyway. I don't know how they handle the camera. Maybe mail it to the registered owner and ask for the identity of the driver? If they do get you, you have to go to red light traffic school. You can also do defensive driving if eligible and once you complete these things the ticket (and points etc) are dismissed.

Would it be civil then? This seems to read that it is against a "person":

28-645 - Traffic control signal legend

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On receipt of a record of judgment for a violation of this subdivision or an act in another jurisdiction that if committed in this state would be a violation of this section, the department shall order the person to attend and successfully complete traffic survival school educational sessions within sixty days after the department issues the order. Notwithstanding section 28-3315, if the person fails to attend or successfully complete traffic survival school educational sessions, the department shall suspend the person's driving privilege pursuant to section 28-3306 until the person attends and successfully completes traffic survival school educational sessions. A person whose driving privilege is suspended pursuant to this subdivision may request a hearing. If the person requests a hearing, the department shall conduct the hearing as prescribed in section 28-3306. A law enforcement officer or a jurisdiction issuing a citation to a person who violates this subdivision shall provide written notice to the person that if eligible, the person may attend defensive driving school or, if not eligible or if the person chooses not to attend defensive driving school and is found responsible or enters a plea of responsible for a violation of this subsection, the person must attend and successfully complete traffic survival school educational sessions. The notice shall include a reference to red light violations and state that if the person is required to attend traffic survival school the person will receive notice from the motor vehicle division.

Ponderosa · 07-26-2017, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bigDwiki

Would it be civil then? This seems to read that it is against a "person":

28-645 - Traffic control signal legend

Yes, it's civil. You are a person, no? It does not matter who owns the car, it's all about the driver (person). The car is not responsible, the driver is. The company was not driving and is not responsible for your violation. If they figure out who you are, then you will have to attend traffic survival school or lose your license. You can also attend DDC course and get the whole thing wiped off your record. Relax! It's a speed bump on the road of life. And pay attention and don't run red lights. Just saw today that two kids were killed by a red light runner. You don't want to be that guy (and your boss doesn't either).

bigDwiki · 07-26-2017, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderosa

You are a person, no? It does not matter who owns the car, it's all about the driver (person). The car is not responsible, the driver is. The company was not driving and is not responsible for your violation. If they figure out who you are, then you will have to attend traffic survival school or lose your license. You can also attend DDC course and get the whole thing wiped off your record. Relax! It's a speed bump on the road of life. And pay attention and don't run red lights. Just saw today that two kids were killed by a red light runner. You don't want to be that guy (and your boss doesn't either).

You can save the "don't run red lights" for some other thread. You say that on every thread about this topic. I am asking purely about Arizona law here and what the procedure is for when this happens.

Bummer · 07-26-2017, 10:37 PM

If I were you, BigDwik . . .

Rather than being concerned about the ticket, I would be more concerned how your boss is going to react. Especially if you opt to ignore the violation and not inform him prior to the citation being served.

Driving a company vehicle in a very arrogant / disrespectful way and then ignoring it could very well be grounds for dismissal.

Good Luck

SoCalCpl2 · 07-26-2017, 10:42 PM

Redlight tickets are sent to the owner of the vehicle.. If that happens to be a company car then it is between you and the Boss.... Sometimes the company sends a link to an email of what happened... So the Boss will know for sure what happened...

bigDwiki · 07-26-2017, 10:49 PM

My god. Two more off-topic replies I see. Thanks to those who are staying on-topic.

I am specifically here looking for experiences of how the state of AZ treats these violations when the vehicle is not registered to an individual, but is registered to an entity. The purpose of this post is for research. That entity could be government, corporation, LLC, nonprofit, or even a trust or other form of asset protection entity.

I don't own a company. I don't work for a company that has vehicles. I don't even live in a state with cameras. So stop the lecturing.

Please save your keyboard unless you specifically have an experience or knowledge of how the legal process works against an entity.

Sandduner · 07-26-2017, 11:14 PM

^^^^ if you don't want people to reply, then why even ask the question? Sure some people went a little off track, big deal.....
I'm sure there are better places than this forum to do your legal research. Anyway, in my experience, we get the notice in the mail, because it's sent to the registered owner of the vehicle. Each situation and employee is different, but for the most part the tickets get filed in the round bin and never to be heard of again.
Good luck