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Old 08-20-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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From researching school districts it seems like North Allegheny elementary schools have been trending down. Any thoughts on why and if this trend will continue?

North Allegheny School Performance Profile scores dip at elementary level | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Example from Ingomar Elementary (at 87.8% state ranking in 2014, down from 99.4% in 2009):
Ingomar Elementary School in Pittsburgh PA - SchoolDigger.com
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Old 08-20-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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Should not be due to any socioeconomic issues in those neighborhood, if this is your concern. While Ingomar may not be the gold standard for the North Allegheny school district, Bradford woods and Marshall are some of the most desirable locations to live in the school district (and for some in all of Allegheny county).

As the article suggests, the drop in the average scores may not be due to the NA schools performance going down but because other school districts in the state are slowly improving.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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Should not be due to any socioeconomic issues in those neighborhood, if this is your concern.
"% Free/Reduced Lunch" has remained constant so I'm just curious if there's anything else going on that's not being discussed? School funding, demographics, etc... Wouldn't want to move to North Allegheny School District and pay the higher millage if the school district is in decline.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:19 PM
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Just a dumb test that is meaningless. Who cares? That school is a good school. Sure it isn't FC, but it is good. Just because an average isn't great, doesn't make the school. Is someone going to tell me a smart kid isn't going to get a good education there? It is like going to Kerr Elementary. If the student is smart, they will have the opportunities due to massive funding and a great district. Averages are misleading. A super smart kid at Kerr is going to do much better than an average kid at Fairview for example. I wouldn't hesitate in the least to send a child to NA, but I prefer the international flair of FC. Really this isn't any big deal, IMHO.
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Old 08-23-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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Just a dumb test that is meaningless. Who cares? That school is a good school. Sure it isn't FC, but it is good.
I've haven't come across any ranking showing FC better that NA.

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A super smart kid at Kerr is going to do much better than an average kid at Fairview for example.
Sure, but if you had the same kid at Fairview they'd do better than at Kerr, right? I'd assume the kids at Fairview are more engaged and the parents / teachers would have higher expectations (as evidenced by the test score).

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I wouldn't hesitate in the least to send a child to NA, but I prefer the international flair of FC.
International flair?

As you can see from my posts, I'm trying to find a good school district in the north hills.
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:56 PM
 
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My Dr does not have her elementary diploma hanging on her wall. Look at the districts in a whole.
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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Sure, but if you had the same kid at Fairview they'd do better than at Kerr, right? I'd assume the kids at Fairview are more engaged and the parents / teachers would have higher expectations (as evidenced by the test score).

Nope. I'd expect the same kid to largely score the same on the test, regardless of the particular school district. Kids' parents and home environment aren't altered by the school district, nor is largely their education.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:38 PM
 
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FYI, it would be a stretch at best to consider the schools drop in SPP scores a "trend" as the article states. SPP (School Performance Profile) is number based upon a complicated formula of test scores, growth rates, number of high performing students, and many other metrics. Its only been around for two years. New factors were added in the more recent scores which could likely account for the change.

Don't be surprised when all school scores drop this year, based upon the new, PA Core aligned tests administered last spring.
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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I have no idea about the tests but I do know at our school lots of kids are pulled out of class for help with math and reading. There are also a ton of kids that are pulled out for advanced math and advanced reading. I have always assumed that this didn't happen at every elementary school. I would imagine that this would have to impact test scores although I have no idea if this is true or not.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Lawrenceville, Pittsburgh
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I have no idea about the tests but I do know at our school lots of kids are pulled out of class for help with math and reading. There are also a ton of kids that are pulled out for advanced math and advanced reading. I have always assumed that this didn't happen at every elementary school. I would imagine that this would have to impact test scores although I have no idea if this is true or not.
It definitely happens in other schools. I know teachers at both Allegheny Valley (Springdale) and Shaler that do this for a living at the elementary level. I don't know much about their advanced programs, these two individuals helped those who were behind. I think this is pretty common, and has been for quite some time.
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