10-04-2013, 08:19 PM
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The Cardinals play in a market about the same size as the Pirates yet they put over one million more asses in the seats this year than the Pirates did, even as the two teams were neck-and-neck in the standings all season. They outsold everyone in the league except the Dodgers. Attendance at the last two games has exceeded 45,000 in a stadium with a seating capacity of 43,800. So don't think for a minute St. Louis hasn't earned its reputation as a top-tier baseball town.
Pittsburgh and St. Louis are similar sized metros, but St. Louis is a bigger baseball market. They draw out of Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, southern Illinois, Missouri, Alabama, much of the Midwest and south. The Pittsburgh market is more boxed in with Cleveland, Cincinnati, Baltimore and Philadelphia. One could argue that Kansas City and Atlanta took some of the Cards market when Mlb expanded in the 1960s. But then we are talking about a pretty huge expanse of the USA, not to mention leftover Cardinal fans from those areas from the old days.
10-04-2013, 08:38 PM
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Who honestly cares? Whether or not these teams play in pittsburgh has no bearing on my life. I love how yinzers think every city is like pittsburgh when it comes to sports. 2/3 of nfl markets could give a damn about their team. 8 to 10 teams at most carry the nfl. I hope the steelers suck for a long time so that ticket prices tank and the local news stops giving them the royal treatment. Hockey is only popular by region. The pens almost folded or moved half a dozen times till consol was built. If the pens suck the attendance will drop. Baseball lost its popularity in the 70s. The pirates were rumored to move every year till pnc was built. Really pittsburgh is lucky to have any pro sports teams as this city has shrunk leaps and bounds over the years.
10-04-2013, 08:44 PM
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Lmao!!!
10-04-2013, 09:21 PM
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Who honestly cares? Whether or not these teams play in pittsburgh has no bearing on my life. I love how yinzers think every city is like pittsburgh when it comes to sports. 2/3 of nfl markets could give a damn about their team. 8 to 10 teams at most carry the nfl. I hope the steelers suck for a long time so that ticket prices tank and the local news stops giving them the royal treatment. Hockey is only popular by region. The pens almost folded or moved half a dozen times till consol was built. If the pens suck the attendance will drop. Baseball lost its popularity in the 70s. The pirates were rumored to move every year till pnc was built. Really pittsburgh is lucky to have any pro sports teams as this city has shrunk leaps and bounds over the years.
methinks zman63 has been drinking. I like that - it illuminates his dark inner soul and inability to use upper case for all to see.
Some towns are simply great sports towns. I was born in one, and for 20 years my team sucked, but still got huge crowds. Their pathetic-ness was a source of massively creative humor. We learned how to repel barbs from other teams by being funny. And now we're good ...
I ain't been here for long, but my suspicion is Pittsburgh is one of those towns. It certainly seems to punch above its weight, if I may atrociously abuse metaphors.
And personally, I love it ... go bucs!! That was a fine performance today.
10-04-2013, 09:24 PM
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Pittsburgh and St. Louis are similar sized metros, but St. Louis is a bigger baseball market. They draw out of Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, southern Illinois, Missouri, Alabama, much of the Midwest and south. The Pittsburgh market is more boxed in with Cleveland, Cincinnati, Baltimore and Philadelphia. One could argue that Kansas City and Atlanta took some of the Cards market when Mlb expanded in the 1960s. But then we are talking about a pretty huge expanse of the USA, not to mention leftover Cardinal fans from those areas from the old days.
Do you think it's primarily people from Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, etc., who are filling the stadium? Or is it primarily people from the St. Louis metro?
Also, I think it's a reach to say that in 2013 the Cardinals continue to have anything more than superficial market penetration into Louisiana (mostly an Astros market, the poor souls) or Mississippi/Alabama (mostly a Braves market). Even in places outside the metro area where they have significant market share, there's a lot of overlap with teams like the Cubs and the Royals. So while their geographical market share may still be large, it also covers a lot of empty space and/or competes with other teams. In terms of media market share, the Pirates are ranked 22nd while the Cardinals are ranked 19th.
Any way you slice it, it's ludicrous for someone in Pittsburgh of all places to doubt St Louis' credentials as a baseball town. By any objective measure, St. Louis punches well above its weight.
10-04-2013, 09:35 PM
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Who honestly cares? Whether or not these teams play in pittsburgh has no bearing on my life. I love how yinzers think every city is like pittsburgh when it comes to sports. 2/3 of nfl markets could give a damn about their team. 8 to 10 teams at most carry the nfl. I hope the steelers suck for a long time so that ticket prices tank and the local news stops giving them the royal treatment. Hockey is only popular by region. The pens almost folded or moved half a dozen times till consol was built. If the pens suck the attendance will drop. Baseball lost its popularity in the 70s. The pirates were rumored to move every year till pnc was built. Really pittsburgh is lucky to have any pro sports teams as this city has shrunk leaps and bounds over the years.
Just curious. Why do you participate in threads that you claim do not interest you? For example as a heterosexual, I don"t go into gay chat rooms to stir the pot. I simply stay away because it does not interest me. You are a perfect example of a person who uses the web for their own selfish motives. When called to the carpet, you"'ll back off and play innocent. It will be short lived of course. I have no problem with objective opinions.
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10-04-2013, 11:13 PM
Location: Currently living in Reddit
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What's wrong with endorsing a high-quality product and rejecting a low-quality product?
Because someone like me who loves baseball above all other sports and attends a dozen or more Pirates games every year regardless of record wasn't selected for either the NLDS or NLCS ticket lotteries because those tickets ARE GOING TO BANDWAGONERS!!!!!!!!
10-05-2013, 01:03 AM
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I respect the bucs fanbase much more than the cards, and as a nats fan, I really really you buc beat them. its the only pgh team I root for even before they got into the playoffs. I hate the cards as much as I hate the redsox and Yankees.
10-05-2013, 01:29 AM
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I respect the bucs fanbase much more than the cards, and as a nats fan, I really really you buc beat them. its the only pgh team I root for even before they got into the playoffs. I hate the cards as much as I hate the redsox and Yankees.
Heh, that's enough to make you an honorary Cubs fan.
Though as a NL follower I'm generally indifferent toward the Yankees and Red Sox. Maybe that will change with more interleague play.
10-05-2013, 06:48 AM
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I grew up as a Phillies fan. We managed dreadful attendance in the late 80s/90s (with the exception of 1993) in the Vet. The Phil's were the 3rd/4th team in town (at the bottom with the Sixers). A new stadium in 2004 (along with improved play) helped to pack the stadium and make it one of the most difficult places to play in mlb. Now, with a little slip in performance, attendance is starting to lag again. I'd put Pittsburgh in the same boat....great sports town who will follow a winner. I think most cities are like that, too. I'd imagine even mighty Busch Stadium would have a decent amount of empty seats if they went on a 10 year losing streak combined with improved performance from the Rams and Blues.
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People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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