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Old 06-17-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Originally Posted by Versatile View Post
The Iraq War made sense at the time.

Of course it did. We made our decisions off the lies were were told.
There were no lies, according to Robert Woodward.
Bob Woodward: Wrong, Bush Did Not Lie Us Into Iraq
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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There were no lies,

Well, except for that one about how Saddam's WMDs were going to wipe out America's cities.

And that one was a whopper.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhIkzTg14M

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Old 06-17-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Well, except for that one about how Saddam's WMDs were going to wipe out America's cities.

And that one was a whopper.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhIkzTg14M

Where do you come up with the part about "wipe out America's cities?" It's not in the video you posted, which btw is a waste of 1:50. Nothing in the video refutes what Woodward said--there was no lie.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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Well, except for that one about how Saddam's WMDs were going to wipe out America's cities.

And that one was a whopper.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhIkzTg14M

So, in other words, Bush was saying the same things as Clinton and the majority of the Democrat leadership were saying.

Good to know Bush and the Democrats were on the same page.

Is it shear ignorance or willful disregard that prevents you from acknowledging the Democrats were saying the same thing? I'm just curious if you don't know history or you are so partisan you ignore the facts.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:26 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So, in other words, Bush was saying the same things as Clinton and the majority of the Democrat leadership were saying.
Yep:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc

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Good to know Bush and the Democrats were on the same page.

Is it shear ignorance or willful disregard that prevents you from acknowledging the Democrats were saying the same thing? I'm just curious if you don't know history or you are so partisan you ignore the facts.
My bet is a lot of them don't know history.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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You can have GOP controlled House, GOP controlled Senate and GOP controlled White House, but if anything goes wrong, they will always blame someone else.

I hope the next GOP president, which I think will happen in 2016, will have more backbone and take some responsibility for mistakes he/she makes.

That should not be too much to ask for.
"they will always blame someone else." like Obama and Hillary?

I guess you won't be voting in the next election.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Where do you come up with the part about "wipe out America's cities?" It's not in the video you posted, which btw is a waste of 1:50. Nothing in the video refutes what Woodward said--there was no lie.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Irony is not a mineral.


You'll like this one better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-DdbAGlRo

Keep carrying Dubya's water.

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Old 06-17-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So, in other words, Bush was saying the same things as Clinton and the majority of the Democrat leadership were saying.

Good to know Bush and the Democrats were on the same page.

Is it shear ignorance or willful disregard that prevents you from acknowledging the Democrats were saying the same thing? I'm just curious if you don't know history or you are so partisan you ignore the facts.
List the Democrats who ordered our forces into Iraq.

Then list the Pubs who voted against the Iraq Resolution.

Please.

This will help:

House Vote:

Pub: 215 yay 6 nay

Dem: 82 yay 126 nay

Senate Vote:

Pub: 48 yay 1 nay

Dem: 29 yay 21 nay

Summary:

Pub: 263 for, 7 against

Dem: 111 for, 147 against


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Old 06-17-2015, 05:41 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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What specifically did "W" do to trash the US economy?
GW Bush added $10 trillion dollars to our deficits/national debt. And high deficits/national debt hurt the economy in many ways.

Bush added $3 trillion dollars to our deficits/debt with tax cuts (with 52% of the tax cuts going to the richest 1% of Americans.)
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Bush added $6 trillion dollars (now and in the future) for the Iraq war. This was a unneeded war started with 935 false statements made by the Bush White House.
The Iraq War Could Cost More Than $6 Trillion - Business Insider
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com

And Bush gave large corporations $1.2 trillion dollars in federal subsidies.
RealClearMarkets - Do Crony Handouts Have a Stranglehold On the GOP?


The above money that Bush added to our deficits/debt hurt the economy in many ways.

1.) It lowered the value of the US dollar (high deficits/debt show instability in a country and lower the countries currency value.)

2.) The deficits Bush created cut federal funding to states. The funding cuts to states caused the states to pay for programs themselves (and this gave individual states financial problems.)
$2.5 Trillion Budget Plan Cuts Many Programs (washingtonpost.com)

3.) Bush's tax cuts gave nothing to the middle class. The richest 1% of Americans got 52% of Bush's tax cuts, and the middle class got 9% of Bush's tax cuts. And its middle class spending on goods and services that stimulates an economy.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis




Judiciary Report - How George Bush Destroyed The US Economy

5 Reasons Americans Are Right To Blame Bush For The Economy | ThinkProgress

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush | Vanity Fair

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Old 06-18-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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GW Bush added $10 trillion dollars to our deficits/national debt. And high deficits/national debt hurt the economy in many ways.

Bush added $3 trillion dollars to our deficits/debt with tax cuts (with 52% of the tax cuts going to the richest 1% of Americans.)
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Bush added $6 trillion dollars (now and in the future) for the Iraq war. This was a unneeded war started with 935 false statements made by the Bush White House.
The Iraq War Could Cost More Than $6 Trillion - Business Insider
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com

And Bush gave large corporations $1.2 trillion dollars in federal subsidies.
RealClearMarkets - Do Crony Handouts Have a Stranglehold On the GOP?


The above money that Bush added to our deficits/debt hurt the economy in many ways.

1.) It lowered the value of the US dollar (high deficits/debt show instability in a country and lower the countries currency value.)

2.) The deficits Bush created cut federal funding to states. The funding cuts to states caused the states to pay for programs themselves (and this gave individual states financial problems.)
$2.5 Trillion Budget Plan Cuts Many Programs (washingtonpost.com)

3.) Bush's tax cuts gave nothing to the middle class. The richest 1% of Americans got 52% of Bush's tax cuts, and the middle class got 9% of Bush's tax cuts. And its middle class spending on goods and services that stimulates an economy.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis




Judiciary Report - How George Bush Destroyed The US Economy

5 Reasons Americans Are Right To Blame Bush For The Economy | ThinkProgress

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush | Vanity Fair

I'll put my stats against yours, any day! Espescially since mine come from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics and all of yours come from liberal organizations and "reputable" serious publications like Vanity Fair. Really?

OK, let's look at the W Bush economy.

"
Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.

* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.

But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”


In addition, he managed to steadily reduce our increase in public debt and our deficit near the end of his final term. It only started to rise again in 2008"
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