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Old 06-16-2010, 07:18 PM
 
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Without a doubt, President Obama, his Agenda, and his Leadership is severely being tested right now. As it stands, he's taking a major hit over this oil spill catastrophe and unemployment, and it's not getting any better for the guy. The media has turned on him, conservatives have turned up the heat on him, and even his base is in disarray over his lackadaisical approach to governing.

Of course there are many other negatives that are dogging him as well, such as the debt/deficit, Gitmo, DADT, war, etc.

It seems to me that liberal ideology ala Barack Obama is on its way down the tubes heading into this election season.

Liberals: Can you recover? If so, why do you think so?
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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I think so. It may take losing the House in November, but ultimately the conservative movement for the past year has been full of rhetoric and I'm not sure they have policy in mind to back that rhetoric up. In addition, a lot of the harshest rhetoric has come from the far right and has been based on lies and exaggerations. I think mainstream America either likes Obama or hates him, they don't see him as Jesus like the far-left or as Satan as does the far-right.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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I don't know about wounded but they are certainly running scared. You can tell by the upswing in personal attacks. When they fear they are losing the masses they lash out out those they fear, the tea-partiers, Christians, anyone with conservative, traditional values.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:24 PM
 
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I don't know about wounded but they are certainly running scared. You can tell by the upswing in personal attacks. When they fear they are losing the masses they lash out out those they fear, the tea-partiers, Christians, anyone with conservative, traditional values.
To me, the real personal attack comes in assuming that nobody on the left can possibly be a Christian or have traditional values.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:27 PM
 
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No, I don't think we can recover. I hate the fact that we have an intelligent President and long for the days when the POTUS was a simpleton that knew how to cut weeds.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:29 PM
 
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Without a doubt, President Obama, his Agenda, and his Leadership is severely being tested right now. As it stands, he's taking a major hit over this oil spill catastrophe and unemployment, and it's not getting any better for the guy. The media has turned on him, conservatives have turned up the heat on him, and even his base is in disarray over his lackadaisical approach to governing.

Of course there are many other negatives that are dogging him as well, such as the debt/deficit, Gitmo, DADT, war, etc.

It seems to me that liberal ideology ala Barack Obama is on its way down the tubes heading into this election season.

Liberals: Can you recover? If so, why do you think so?
The only saving grace is the public's memory of 8 year of the Bush Republicans.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Liberals: Can you recover? If so, why do you think so?
I don't know if I qualify as a full liberal, but I probably do in the eyes of most people here since I'm not a hard-core right winger. So I'll bite.

And I would say to you: have you looked at political history in the US?

First the Democrats take control and muck things up...and then some Republican Bush-like dude will come in again and take everything in the other direction and muck things up even worse...and then Democrats will come back into vogue and do a bunch of stuff in the other direction and muck things up...and then it will be back to the other side...

It's an endless back-and-forth cycle. Obama might not have even won the presidency if Bush hadn't been so horrible. So of course the liberals will recover again right after the conservatives in power finish screw everything up.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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No, I don't think we can recover. I hate the fact that we have an intelligent President and long for the days when the POTUS was a simpleton that knew how to cut weeds.
Yes, we do have an intelligent President. I don't disagree. But we also have a dreamer and not a doer in office. If he could come back down out of the stratosphere for a bit, reign in Pelosi and Reid, and connect with the American people, then he might have a chance.

I don't begrudge setting large goals. I do that for myself. Which is precisely why he's viewed like he is by the right. The American people like to judge for themselves how to live their life. No one wants "redistribution of wealth." It's not the American Spirit to do so. That's what the President and the left don't get. And unfortunately for them, there aren't enough liberals at the ballot box to ensure that it happens.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:39 PM
 
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Yes, we do have an intelligent President. I don't disagree. But we also have a dreamer and not a doer in office. If he could come back down out of the stratosphere for a bit, reign in Pelosi and Reid, and connect with the American people, then he might have a chance.

I don't begrudge setting large goals. I do that for myself. Which is precisely why he's viewed like he is by the right. The American people like to judge for themselves how to live their life. No one wants "redistribution of wealth." It's not the American Spirit to do so. That's what the President and the left don't get. And unfortunately for them, there aren't enough liberals at the ballot box to ensure that it happens.
I disagree.

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Old 06-16-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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I don't know if I qualify as a full liberal, but I probably do in the eyes of most people here since I'm not a hard-core right winger. So I'll bite.

And I would say to you: have you looked at political history in the US?

First the Democrats take control and muck things up...and then some Republican Bush-like dude will come in again and take everything in the other direction and muck things up even worse...and then Democrats will come back into vogue and do a bunch of stuff in the other direction and muck things up...and then it will be back to the other side...

It's an endless back-and-forth cycle. Obama might not have even won the presidency if Bush hadn't been so horrible. So of course the liberals will recover again right after the conservatives in power finish screw everything up.
I agree with everything you say. I mainly was curious if they thought they could recover in time for the upcoming elections. I may not have been clear enough on that point though.
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