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Old 06-17-2010, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Heart of Oklahoma
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I'm sorry but women who purposely and willingly make the decision to have children out of wedlock are selfish with a reckless disregard for what is in the best interest of the children. There are far too many women today that use "getting pregnant" as a means to trap "their man" and that just doesn't work anymore....we are not in 1950.

Not to mention that the women that do purposely have children out of wedlock expose their children to a household with limited resources, less supervision, a stable and consistent male figure in the day-to-day life and numerous men during their single mom's dating life who may or may not have inappropriate designs on their children. Pedophiles really happen to love single moms, btw.

On the other side, these unwed mothers who actually do have the "baby daddies" in the lives of the children are exposing their children to the wrath of the baby daddy's new "honey" (many whom resent the fact that money/time/attention that should be going to her (and her children) is going to the ex-girlfriend/baby mama and takes that resentment out on the kids.

Denying children a two-parent home by design is very selfish.
What do you think of me and my situation? When I got pregnant at 19, I was on birth control and we also used protection. I thought it was a sign that I got pregnant and I was supposed to have this baby. Would you have recommended I aborted it? Maybe have a shotgun wedding? B/c shotgun weddings usually last forever, amiright?
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:38 PM
 
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His "statistic" is false. There are more than 10% of us out there. As I said, I know 10 more gals just like me who are living the same way. That means there are 11 of us, which is more than 10%.
Only if its 11 out of 100. Not sure either of you have your stats right.

It is best avoided, but of course happens. I applaud your hard work and I think that when people criticize this, they do not mean people like you.

Rather it is people who give no thought to it and then continue to repeat the same mistake, sometimes multiple times. Colleague of mine was engaged to a security guard who had 5 children from 4 different women. I wondered when the learning curve kicked in. She changed her mind and walked. Something tells me he has since brought #s 6, 7, and 8 into the world.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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What do you think of me and my situation? When I got pregnant at 19, I was on birth control and we also used protection. I thought it was a sign that I got pregnant and I was supposed to have this baby. Would you have recommended I aborted it? Maybe have a shotgun wedding? B/c shotgun weddings usually last forever, amiright?
Maybe you were too young to be having sex if you were not able to properly use birth control AND condoms.

I do not believe in abortion but I do believe in personal responsibility. Maybe it would have been better to have a "shotgun wedding" - the man you having sex with wasn't good husband material? If not, maybe having sex with him wasn't a mature thing to do.

In my personal opinion, if the man was good enough to have sex with he should have been good enough to marry and raise the child in a 2-parent household. At that point, the child comes first.

How many men will your child be exposed to between birth and age 18? How many of those men also won't be "marriage material"? And further, how many of those will could potentially be dangerous to your child.

I think that the "normalization" and even "celebration" of being Single Moms (on purpose) is a great tragedy for our nation.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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So, why aren't you marrying him or something?

Weekend visits and every Father's day is NOT enough for a child. PERIOD.
You do realize that there are plenty of people who live together, raise children together, but don't feel the need to have that piece of paper declaring them married, right?

Because I know at least 3 families off the top of my head like that, and their children are awesome, well behaved, and smart.
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Single mothers and bastard children- the "child" of liberalism. Johnson's "Great Society" and the liberal assault on the family has certainly not done us any favors.


Remember the quote, 'It takes a village................"
Like hell. It takes a family to provide the proper environment and stability for kids. That means a mom and a dad. Marxism must attack the family and the church, such that the state is the only source of "faith" and "stability".
Hmmm, single mothers and bastard children are the "child" of liberalism, you say?


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Old 06-17-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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You do realize that there are plenty of people who live together, raise children together, but don't feel the need to have that piece of paper declaring them married, right?

Because I know at least 3 families off the top of my head like that, and their children are awesome, well behaved, and smart.
That's nice.

You know 3 families where the parents insert an escape clause into their so-called committment. The kids may well be awesome, but their parents are lacking in substance.

And somehow I don't think these 3 families are akin to teenagers in the slums having babies when they are 15.
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Maybe you were too young to be having sex if you were not able to properly use birth control AND condoms.

I do not believe in abortion but I do believe in personal responsibility. Maybe it would have been better to have a "shotgun wedding" - the man you having sex with wasn't good husband material? If not, maybe having sex with him wasn't a mature thing to do.

In my personal opinion, if the man was good enough to have sex with he should have been good enough to marry and raise the child in a 2-parent household. At that point, the child comes first.

How many men will your child be exposed to between birth and age 18? How many of those men also won't be "marriage material"? And further, how many of those will could potentially be dangerous to your child.

I think that the "normalization" and even "celebration" of being Single Moms (on purpose) is a great tragedy for our nation.
Calipoppy, I never thought you and I would see eye-to-eye on things, but this post as well as your previous post is about as close to perfection as it gets.
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:08 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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That's nice.

You know 3 families where the parents insert an escape clause into their so-called committment. The kids may well be awesome, but their parents are lacking in substance.

And somehow I don't think these 3 families are akin to teenagers in the slums having babies when they are 15.
Why exactly do you have to have a piece of paper saying you're married to be good parents or people?

Married people have an "escape clause" too, it's called divorce.

I have a good friend from high school whose parents never married. She is 33 now and they are still together. Compare that to the rest of my friends... most of them with divorced parents... I think her parents might be on to something.

(I'm married, FWIW)
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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I'm saying without a doubt that broken homes are known to promote degeneration in society. This is not my theory. Take it up with sociologists.
Then I guess every child of a deceased soldier (or firefighter, police officer, or cancer patient) is doomed...and their household will go directly from being patriotic to one that is promoting our society's "degeneration", right?

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Old 06-17-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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Then I guess every child of a deceased soldier (or firefighter, police officer, or cancer patient) is doomed...and their household will go directly from being patriotic to one that is promoting our society's "degeneration", right?

Shallow. Very shallow. Please, by all means, try again.

But while we're on the subject, yes, no matter the circumstances, broken homes have been proven to promote degeneration in society. It doesn't matter how mom or dad was lost, its the fact that they are not around that's the problem. I assumed that I wouldn't have to explain that little tidbit of theory, but apparently I was wrong.
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