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Old 01-20-2011, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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After all the trumpeting around here about how the GOP would dismantle "Obamacare," I'm surprised some of our more passionate right-wing brethren haven't jumped right on this as evidence that there's a new day in Washington.



WASHINGTON -- The Republican-controlled House of Representatives lived up to a campaign promise Thursday approving a wholesale repeal of the landmark health care overhaul bill and saying it would be best to start from scratch.

Just so no one is confused: The bill remains the law of the land. That is unlikely to change anytime soon, if ever.

The repeal passed 245-189 -- with only three Democrats voting in favor of it. But the Senate, still controlled by Democrats, will bury it.
And if it were resurrected, President Barack Obama would veto it...

House repeals health law, but Senate to balk | freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20110120/NEWS15/101200475/House-repeals-health-law-but-Senate-to-balk#ixzz1BZmcUtdQ - broken link)




Of course, maybe they're not too interested in talking about it because it's dead in the water. The Senate won't even consider it and, even if they did, the President would not sign it.

So..the GOP is adopting a NEW strategy, one without an ice cube's chance of success, but one which will convince the faithful that they really are trying: Blame Harry Reid. It should be obvious to any but most deliberately blind that the objective of this strategy isn't to change anything, but to look good for 2012. In other words, political grandstanding disguised as principled opposition.





Only two weeks into the new Congress, Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) has repeatedly — and very personally — challenged Reid to hold an up-or-down vote on GOP policy proposals, publicly daring the Nevada Democrat to hold a Senate vote on repealing the health care law.
Reid has dismissed such comments from Cantor as nothing more than a “political stunt,”...

...One Republican aide called the health care fight just the “opening salvo” in a long-term anti-Reid strategy, saying Republicans will also pressure the Senate to vote on the GOP’s weekly spending cuts, slashing and eliminating government programs and any other initiative the Democratic-controlled Senate declines to take up.

House Republicans also seek to divide Senate Democrats from the White House when the Obama administration wants to negotiate on major policy issues, according to GOP aides....

...In part, the blame-the-Senate line — a classic House legislative strategy — plays into a larger House GOP effort to tamp down expectations about how much Republicans can realistically get done in a divided Washington....

Republican’s new strategy: Blame Harry Reid - John Bresnahan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Waste of time, GOP should work with Dems to eliminate bad proposals of the health, some of the jobs killers proposals.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Curious though. If Harry Reid feels that Obamacare is so strong then why not allow an up or down vote on repealing it? Wouldn't that prove Reid's point of view or is it that he is actually blowing smoke and feels it would indeed pass the Senate?
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:37 AM
 
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Curious though. If Harry Reid feels that Obamacare is so strong then why not allow an up or down vote on repealing it? Wouldn't that prove Reid's point of view or is it that he is actually blowing smoke and feels it would indeed pass the Senate?
Why should he? It's the law of the land, a law he and his party passed and they're satisfied with it.

If the GOP wants to play the part of the opposition, let them marshall their support and tear it down without depending upon the Democrats to do it for them.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:41 AM
 
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Why should he? It's the law of the land, a law he and his party passed and they're satisfied with it.

If the GOP wants to play the part of the opposition, let them marshall their support and tear it down without depending upon the Democrats to do it for them.
If Reid won't even allow it to come up for vote, then how do you suppose this will happen?
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:01 AM
 
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Justin Amash Mich 3rd District Tea Party

"They try to find support in Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce. If forcing Americans to start commerce is the same as regulating existing commerce, it would have been news to the Founders."

way to go Justin!!!!!


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Old 01-20-2011, 06:04 AM
 
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If Reid won't even allow it to come up for vote, then how do you suppose this will happen?

Them's the breaks, just as it is when the Democrats are in the minority. House and Senate rules give the power to decide what gets voted on, and what doesn't, to the majority party leaders.

It's a system which has worked well to prevent idiotic bills crafted in the heat of an emotional moment from being passed and it's rules both parties have used to bury literally thousands of bills.

Don't be deceived: The GOP is as "guilty" of that right now in the House as Reid is in the Senate. Over in the House, they're not only burying Democrat's legislation, but a good bit of the legislation proposed by their own new Tea Party activists.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:07 AM
 
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After all the trumpeting around here about how the GOP would dismantle "Obamacare," I'm surprised some of our more passionate right-wing brethren haven't jumped right on this as evidence that there's a new day in Washington.



WASHINGTON -- The Republican-controlled House of Representatives lived up to a campaign promise Thursday approving a wholesale repeal of the landmark health care overhaul bill and saying it would be best to start from scratch.

Just so no one is confused: The bill remains the law of the land. That is unlikely to change anytime soon, if ever.

The repeal passed 245-189 -- with only three Democrats voting in favor of it. But the Senate, still controlled by Democrats, will bury it.
And if it were resurrected, President Barack Obama would veto it...

House repeals health law, but Senate to balk | freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20110120/NEWS15/101200475/House-repeals-health-law-but-Senate-to-balk#ixzz1BZmcUtdQ - broken link)




Of course, maybe they're not too interested in talking about it because it's dead in the water. The Senate won't even consider it and, even if they did, the President would not sign it.

So..the GOP is adopting a NEW strategy, one without an ice cube's chance of success, but one which will convince the faithful that they really are trying: Blame Harry Reid. It should be obvious to any but most deliberately blind that the objective of this strategy isn't to change anything, but to look good for 2012. In other words, political grandstanding disguised as principled opposition.





Only two weeks into the new Congress, Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) has repeatedly — and very personally — challenged Reid to hold an up-or-down vote on GOP policy proposals, publicly daring the Nevada Democrat to hold a Senate vote on repealing the health care law.
Reid has dismissed such comments from Cantor as nothing more than a “political stunt,”...

...One Republican aide called the health care fight just the “opening salvo” in a long-term anti-Reid strategy, saying Republicans will also pressure the Senate to vote on the GOP’s weekly spending cuts, slashing and eliminating government programs and any other initiative the Democratic-controlled Senate declines to take up.

House Republicans also seek to divide Senate Democrats from the White House when the Obama administration wants to negotiate on major policy issues, according to GOP aides....

...In part, the blame-the-Senate line — a classic House legislative strategy — plays into a larger House GOP effort to tamp down expectations about how much Republicans can realistically get done in a divided Washington....

Republican’s new strategy: Blame Harry Reid - John Bresnahan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com
I'm happy the vote passed the House. Unfortunately it'll never get past the Senate and President Skippy.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:09 AM
 
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I'm happy the vote passed the House. Unfortunately it'll never get past the Senate and President Skippy.

Of course not, and why should it? The health care reform act is the signature piece of legislation for the President's first term and his party passed it by a large majority.

Why would they now go back and undo it all? Just because the GOP wants them to? Would YOU, if you were them?
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Waste of time.
Please : a lower corporate tax rate and lower costs for the health coverage.
GOP and Dems must work together, this partisan battle is boring and useless.
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