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Old 08-26-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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Glenn Beck rewrites civil rights history - CNN.com

I've seen Beck do this before. He's claimed that Nazism was a form of socialism, and that Hilter was on the left end of the political spectrum, but this whopper might just take the cake.

I'm fine with people who have dissenting OPINIONS, but with the Glenn Beck show, he just throws facts out the window and invents his own. And has now made millions of follars doing it
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Nazism was socialism. Hence the longer version of the name National Socialist German Worker's Party. They socialized the major industries, and provided many handouts to the people, (so long as you were a white, non-gay christian, otherwise you were toast) like a socialist nation by definaition does. The biggest fight between Communists and Nazi's was Germany's superiority complex, while communist were internationalists, Nazis were nationalists.

And if you read the Communist Manifesto, it is extermemely and blatantly racist. So there you go. Any political scientist would agree.

Please pardon any spelling mistakes I may have made.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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Glenn Beck rewrites civil rights history - CNN.com

I've seen Beck do this before. He's claimed that Nazism was a form of socialism, and that Hilter was on the left end of the political spectrum, but this whopper might just take the cake.

I'm fine with people who have dissenting OPINIONS, but with the Glenn Beck show, he just throws facts out the window and invents his own. And has now made millions of follars doing it
I have to say this is the funniest post I have read all day, this and the article it links to.

I am curious as to what civil rights history beck rewrote?
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Nazism was socialism. Hence the longer version of the name National Socialist German Worker's Party. They socialized the major industries, and provided many handouts to the people, (so long as you were a white, non-gay christian, otherwise you were toast) like a socialist nation by definaition does. The biggest fight between Communists and Nazi's was Germany's superiority complex, while communist were internationalists, Nazis were nationalists.

And if you read the Communist Manifesto, it is extermemely and blatantly racist. So there you go.

Please pardon any spelling mistakes I may have made.
They were in competition against the real Socialist party and the communist party and wanted to atract the working class. Hitler supported private ownership. All they did was to achieve Hitler's main goal and we know what that was.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Glenn Beck rewrites civil rights history - CNN.com

I've seen Beck do this before. He's claimed that Nazism was a form of socialism, and that Hilter was on the left end of the political spectrum, but this whopper might just take the cake.

I'm fine with people who have dissenting OPINIONS, but with the Glenn Beck show, he just throws facts out the window and invents his own. And has now made millions of follars doing it

Hitler was on the left on the political spectrum.

And this article is just this guys opinion. He offers up no evidence that Beck is wrong.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:47 PM
 
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Hitler was on the left on the political spectrum.

And this article is just this guys opinion. He offers up no evidence that Beck is wrong.
You confuse national socialism with social democracy but thats ok, that is what good Beck lovers do.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:49 PM
 
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Just read the full article. He really didn't say where Beck was changing history. Basically Beck uses quotes of progressives against the progressives, so he's pretty accurate.

Wilson was racist, he has numorous racist quotes and resegregate the military. Magerate Sanger wanted to reduce the number of blacks through birth control, I'm not a tea-partier, but these are facts.

I don't agree with everything he says, like the 17th amendment thing, but he typically is just repeating what these people have said themselves. And the editorialist didn't name one revised piece of history, I don't think it was a very good argument.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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You confuse national socialism with social democracy but thats ok, that is what good Beck lovers do.
I don't listen to Beck. I'm at work. After all, someone has to pay taxes for the health "care" law.

I define leftist as a Statist. Someone that believes in the power of government to fix societies ills. Hilter was a leftist by any measure.

Unless you think a small government with a small military could kill millions upon millions of people.

I didn't say anything about socialism. National, democratic or otherwise. But that's okay, a good statist like yourself just makes up stuff at will to fit a deranged world view.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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Nazism was socialism. Hence the longer version of the name National Socialist German Worker's Party. They socialized the major industries, and provided many handouts to the people, (so long as you were a white, non-gay christian, otherwise you were toast) like a socialist nation by definaition does. The biggest fight between Communists and Nazi's was Germany's superiority complex, while communist were internationalists, Nazis were nationalists.

And if you read the Communist Manifesto, it is extermemely and blatantly racist. So there you go. Any political scientist would agree.

Please pardon any spelling mistakes I may have made.
Unfortunately, you are preaching a half truth. Yes, the Nazis originally started out as a socialist party namely to steal and control industry and wealth from the Jews. They used the socialist platform to justify ceding control of businesses at a time when Germany was suffering from its own financial depression following WWI.

What you are deliberately leaving out is the fact the Nazi party evolved into a dictatorship in which Hitler assumed full control much like Napolean did in France. It was no longer a socialist party at that point. Hitler was not a socialist. He was a dictator who used a socialist platform to appeal to the working class. And the proof lays in the fact that Hitler utlimately became a dictator and the Nazis assumed full control of all resources just like any other authoritarian dictatorial group like the one we saw in Iraq or the current ones in North Korea and Iran. To use Hitler as an example to belittle socialism is ignorant at best. I don't favor a socialist model and there are weaknesses to it but I would not dare use the Nazis as an example of a social democracy. That is the ranting of an uneducated person trying to appear erudite.

The sad thing is I have actually read the Communist Manifesto unlike you. I can tell you are someone who never read the Communist Manifesto and probably came to the conclusion that it was racist based on hearsay from some other "enlightened" friend who claimed it was racist. Unfortunately you ran into someone who has read those books and is educated so your attempt to bull$#$# the forum is not going to work.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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I don't listen to Beck. I'm at work. After all, someone has to pay taxes for the health "care" law.

I define leftist as a Statist. Someone that believes in the power of government to fix societies ills. Hilter was a leftist by any measure.

Unless you think a small government with a small military could kill millions upon millions of people.

I didn't say anything about socialism. National, democratic or otherwise. But that's okay, a good statist like yourself just makes up stuff at will to fit a deranged world view.
Health care was introduced by Bismarck and then expended over many decades. People forget that health care was introduced in 1883 way before Hitler but they always state it was Hitler that introduced UHC.

According to your definition Bush and the Republican Party were also Socialists just like Hitler. Big government with a big military.
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