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Old 08-31-2010, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Hilarious.
Take a class on how to read a scientific paper.
I'll get you a list of papers to read.
Then you can decide what is and isn't disputable.
Everything in science is disputable...that's what is great about science. The constant quests, tests, skepticism...it's what keeps it alive, healthy, and ever forthcoming with useful inventions and information for man.

Your believing whatever pc nonsense people are feeding you in attempts to control you is ridiculous.

pc nonsense = reality
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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But then I discovered that the Southern ice cap which covers Antarctica has steadily been growing over the same time period while also reaching record low temperatures.
The North Pole is shrinking! And the South Pole is growing? « greentheo
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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You know I was watching History International last night, and the program was Little Ice Age: Big Chill. A colder world is one where more and more people die of famines and disease. The French Revolution was caused by the Little Ice Age. It was also one of the more tumultuous periods of European history as well. Yet during the Medieval Warm Period (or Optimum) temperatures were 4°C higher than they are today.

European civilization flourished, the English could grow wine in England and the harvests were good and plenty. So how does a warmer world = a bad one? I don't get it at all. If anything, we need to brace ourselves for the inevitable cooling event that's going to happen
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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European civilization flourished, the English could grow wine in England and the harvests were good and plenty. So how does a warmer world = a bad one? I don't get it at all. If anything, we need to brace ourselves for the inevitable cooling event that's going to happen
****sigh*****........
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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I cant believe there are people who dont believe that glaciers are disappearing all over the world.

This fact is not even disputable
Okay let's say you're right and the glaciers are melting away.
Now, how are you going to prove that the human activities are causing that?
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Here
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Okay let's say you're right and the glaciers are melting away.
Now, how are you going to prove that the human activities are causing that?
Since somewhere around 1950 carbon dioxide levels have risen to levels never known in the history of man. Carbon dixoide in the atmosphere traps the heat. Probably most of these new levels of carbon dixoide are man-made.

The oceans (global sea level) have risen almost 7 inches in the last century due to polar ice melting. Species of plantlife are being found in places once considered north of their range. Global warming is really irrefutable. But if you want to remain true to your environmentally conservative views, here's the direction you go... Argue that a large level of the CO2 is in fact naturally occurring. Frankly, I don't think that argument will work, but it's better than looking straight at facts and rejecting them. Perhaps the best avenue is to argue that global warming is not a horrible thing and might even be proven to be beneficial. No one actually knows the consequences of global warming so at least it isn't an argument that can be rejected out-of-hand.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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Argue that a large level of the CO2 is in fact naturally occurring.
That's the first thing that comes to mind.
Do you realize how insignificant human activities are comparing to the volcanic activities of the planet?
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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That's the first thing that comes to mind.
Do you realize how insignificant human activities are comparing to the volcanic activities of the planet?
In the last 50 years volcanic activity has contributed about 1% as much CO2 as have human activity in that same period. So forget volcanoes.

Here's how it works... most of the CO2 in the atmosphere is natural. But that has been balanced over the course of time by natural sources that remove CO2. The trouble is, man's contributions throw the balance off. Natural forces can't eliminate man-made CO2. So it stays in the atmosphere and retains heat. I still say your best strategy is to proclaim that global warming is a good thing.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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You know I was watching History International last night, and the program was Little Ice Age: Big Chill. A colder world is one where more and more people die of famines and disease. The French Revolution was caused by the Little Ice Age. It was also one of the more tumultuous periods of European history as well. Yet during the Medieval Warm Period (or Optimum) temperatures were 4°C higher than they are today.

European civilization flourished, the English could grow wine in England and the harvests were good and plenty. So how does a warmer world = a bad one? I don't get it at all. If anything, we need to brace ourselves for the inevitable cooling event that's going to happen
Now you are a guy who uses his head. I'd tip my hat to you but I'm not wearing one. Anyhow, there's no doubt that there is global warming. And it is all but irrefutable that it is man-made. But a guy wants to remain true to his conservative principles, even in environmental stuff, right? So what to do? Well, here's the answer; Proclaim that global warming is going to offset the next mini ice age. Sure. It's a cinch. Who can argue? So the long-term effects are all good. But not only that, just think of the money saved on buying coats and mittens. I mean, who likes to shovel snow?

A friend of mine was driving a hybrid car to be green. I told him he was nuts. Go out and lay down $800 for a 1972 Buick. We need this global warming because a new mini ice age could start at any time.

(Oh, by the way, I don't mean to be a stickler, but the Medieval Warm Period was a temperature increase of only about .4 degrees C. And that's the more extreme estimates.)
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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Glaciers are, however, still disappearing from climate change
...at a steady pace going back to about 1880....
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