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Old 09-08-2010, 09:57 AM
 
Location: FL
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Didn't they go up every year?
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If they can't substantiate it with anything other than platitudes, they're just using HCR as an excuse.

I understand that no one wants to pay more money for HI. But I don't understand supporting these scummy insurance companies. I'd like to see the energy that's put into opposing HCR and defending the ins. cos put into putting the insurance industry's feet to the fire. They wasted more of my time yesterday than you can imagine, at a cost to my employer, b/c one won't pay for a drug for a baby that her dr prescribed. Instead, they want the doc to prescribe something that is not approved for babies that young!
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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Didn't they go up every year?
Yeah; that's the other thing. This would be a more credible claim by the insurance industry if rates had been falling or holding steady before this year.

Also, it'd be more credible if we saw healthcare CEO pay take a steep hit. But from what I can see, that hasn't happened, either. Which leads me to believe that the companies are still flush with cash.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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If they can't substantiate it with anything other than platitudes, they're just using HCR as an excuse.

I understand that no one wants to pay more money for HI. But I don't understand supporting these scummy insurance companies. I'd like to see the energy that's put into opposing HCR and defending the ins. cos put into putting the insurance industry's feet to the fire. They wasted more of my time yesterday than you can imagine, at a cost to my employer, b/c one won't pay for a drug for a baby that her dr prescribed. Instead, they want the doc to prescribe something that is not approved for babies that young!

So you deny that adding large numbers of people who previously had pre-existing conditions is going to raise the cost of healthcare? You deny that adding to the Medicaid rolls is going to drive up helathcare costs? You deny that it is highly suspicious that premiums are being raised on a fairly small pool of the insured population with little political clout? Really? You choose to just ignore all that so you can drink the Kool-Aid with your getting an upset tummy? Really?
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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Insurers Pin Rate Hikes on Health Law - WSJ.com

"Health insurers say they plan to raise premiums for some Americans as a direct result of the health overhaul in coming weeks, complicating Democrats' efforts to trumpet their signature achievement before the midterm elections."

and

"The rate increases largely apply to policies for individuals and small businesses and don't include people covered by a big employer or Medicare."

What was that about Obama's policies to help small business, the back-bone of the American economy? Please someone remind me.
I find it ironic that the same people that didn't want a single payer system which the administrative costs are considerably less are now bitching that PRIVATE health insurance companies are now jacking up their rates.

You wanted PRIVATE for PROFIT health insurance companies and you got them. There is no way an organization whose primary motive is PROFIT is ever going to put a patients’ best interest above that.

The majority of the American people drank the INSURANCE COMPANY Kool-Aid about a single payer system being socialist. Now these same companies are ****ing you.

Most people wanted a private health insurance industry NOW DEAL WITH IT!
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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I find it ironic that the same people that didn't want a single payer system which the administrative costs are considerably less are now bitching that PRIVATE health insurance companies are now jacking up their rates.

You wanted PRIVATE for PROFIT health insurance companies and you got them. There is no way an organization whose primary motive is PROFIT is ever going to put a patients’ best interest above that.

The majority of the American people drank the INSURANCE COMPANY Kool-Aid about a single payer system being socialist. Now these same companies are ****ing you.

Most people wanted a private health insurance industry NOW DEAL WITH IT!

It is NOT private health insurance when the White House fixes the contracts to benefit unions and corporations via paybacks.

Apparently you have no concept of the invisible hand of the free market and how government meddling and injecting itself into the middle of it erases the free market completely.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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We buy private insurance. Obamacare will probably force us to drop it next year when it's time to renew it and we'll be uninsured. Thanks Obama...
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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Didn't they go up every year?
Health insurance costs are amongst the fastest rising costs in America. Health insurance corporate profits are also in good shape. The current "Blame the rate increase on new health care reform bill" is convenient cover the health insurance companies to raise rates without looking like the bad guys.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So you deny that adding large numbers of people who previously had pre-existing conditions is going to raise the cost of healthcare? You deny that adding to the Medicaid rolls is going to drive up helathcare costs? You deny that it is highly suspicious that premiums are being raised on a fairly small pool of the insured population with little political clout? Really? You choose to just ignore all that so you can drink the Kool-Aid with your getting an upset tummy? Really?
Tell me which of these is going into effect this/next year. I'll even provide you the resources to do so.

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Not so much in the next couple of years. Probably not enough to justify major increases.

Health Reform Implementation Timeline - Kaiser Family Foundation

Timeline: When health care reform will affect you - CNN
BTW, Medicare/Medicaid has nothing to do with insurance premiums.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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Tell me which of these is going into effect this/next year. I'll even provide you the resources to do so.



BTW, Medicare/Medicaid has nothing to do with insurance premiums.
You are completely and totally wrong about Medicare not affecting private insurance premiums. Reimbursement to physicians and hospitals from private insurance are DIRECTLY tied to the reimbursement rates from medicare and in many cases mimic them exactly. Private insurance premiums are set by "reimbursement rates plus the expenses of the insurance business"
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