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well, there is no gay marriage. The definition of marriage is between 1 man (the husband) and 1 woman (the wife)
so, gays can't get "married" because you need 1 of each sex. thats marriage.
If you look it up online, on Websters, it now defines marriage with three definitions, the definitions are as such:
a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b: the mutual relation of married persons :wedlockc: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially: the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>
Wrong. I did not write the post you are reffering to. I did not write the post that said "yo uwill juist have to deal with it." Go back and look.
I have just been reading the debate at this point.
You are right, you did not write that post.
I was wrong. I'm sorry.
I think what fails is the supposed high and mighty "morality" that the right wing, conservative claims to have. How "moral" is it to deny humans rights simply because an opposing group finds it "wrong".
How is that?
What if 53 percent of Americans decided that left handers should not have the same rights as right handers. because 53 percent (obviously all right handed) people vote agaist it, does that mean it is OK to deny rights?
Why does the majority of the religous right condem and deny the rights of individuals who choose to love someone of the same sex?
Without quoting scripture (because for many of us, we do not subscribe to the same Biblical philosophy) can someone give a valid and reasonable argument that same sex marriage should not be tolerated while freedom of speech and freedom of religion are?
I welcome a debate based on reason and logic, perhaps even science. Not hate, fear based scripture quoting.
Same sex marriage and the freedom of speech are totally different things and your analogy doesn't hold water. As a matter of fact, I think that the freedom of speech is also misinterpreted: it was meant to be the freedom to speak up against the government and the establishment without fear (as you do in your post). In reality it became the freedom to display pornography.
Same sex marriage is disapproved not only in the US, but almost everywhere. Most human societies reject this practice, since they view it as a direct threat and that is not limited to conservative Christians only.
However, homosexuality itself is not illegal as is in some religion oriented countries.
Same sex marriage and the freedom of speech are totally different things and your analogy doesn't hold water. As a matter of fact, I think that the freedom of speech is also misinterpreted: it was meant to be the freedom to speak up against the government and the establishment without fear (as you do in your post). In reality it became the freedom to display pornography.
Same sex marriage is disapproved not only in the US, but almost everywhere. Most human societies reject this practice, since they view it as a direct threat and that is not limited to conservative Christians only.
However, homosexuality itself is not illegal as is in some religion oriented countries.
That is one thing I don't understand about many homosexuals. I believe homosexuality is unnatural and I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
That said I don't hate homosexuals and i understand where they are coming from.
However any time (as evident on this forum) I or anyone else expresses our opinion then the homosexuals start name calling (homophobe etc), saying were are "haters" backward, ignorant, the list goes on and on. . .
Why can't they separate a debate, an opinion and not take it personally? Why can't they understand it is not a personal attack just a belief.
I think that when people speak of LBGT or even, liberals (calling them communists) and feminists etc., it is toward this visual of an abstract concept. And then they run and hide behind the anti-political correct rhetoric when they are called upon it by someone who is in that category. That seems to be the most oft heard line of defense. It is passive-aggressive.
I have to wonder if the person on the other side of the screen actually realizes that the people responding are not abstract concepts. Especially, because they then act as if they have been persecuted. Or a good many here know exactly what they are doing with the passive agressive crap. I can't think of any other reason why they would put their "beliefs" on stage in a forum if they did not want them challenged.
I think most people here can except that someone does "not believe" or does "believe" in something, however, at the point that they support and defend sanctions or discrimination or seek to impose their biblical morality by law-there is a problem.
Fair enough. But I don't believe wanting marriage to remain between one man and one woman as strictly based on biblical morality. Frankly I think it's common sense.
And I also don't think that defending the institution of marriage is being discriminatory against homosexuals. No one is trying to stop homosexuals from being with the person of their choice.
And I do think a civil union is the answer to that.
The same applies to your side. There are peole who believe that same sex is wrong. "You will just have to deal with it".
I am dealing with it, and so are the growing number of Americans who say that same-sex relationships are acceptable.
Regardless, the point is that same-sex marriage will become legal in more places as time goes on, so I'm not too worried. Opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, have a lot to worry about.
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