Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Whether serving in the military is a privilege or not would depend on one's perspective. However, it's un-American to ask one select group to make a sacrifice that you don't require of any other groups. You have not offered any rationale for why gay people should hide, and what, if any, harm would come from repealing DADT. If other militaries around the world allow gays to serve openly, how has that harmed their militaries? If there is no harm to the military, what is the justification? Rules???? Really? Why did we fight that American Revolution? So people wouldn't challenge "rules"?
sure rules can be challenged. You say that there would be no harm to the military. well that is questionalbe. there would certainly be additional factors that will cost taxpayer money, and will distract the military from focusing on their job.
1. how do we deal with new cases of sexual harrassment?
2. How do we deal with living quarters? Do we leave it the same and hope that everyone gets along?
3. Do we put new restrictions on all military members? No guests at all allowed in the barracks?
4. Additional HIV testing?
5. gays in combat? Do we evaluate them before sending them overseas? Do we treat them like other soldiers? What if gay soldiers don't want to go?
6. How do we handle gays who claim sexual harrassment or discrimination?
Unfortunately, the military is not immune from the media. The policy change will be scrutinized by the PC media, and the military will have to walk on eggshells. THAT is harmful in itself.
All of these new changes will make servicemen resent the open homosexuals even more. but, they can't get special treatment.
There will be beatings, and possibly death. How does the military deal with that?
How much "open" do we allow homosexuals to be? Boyfriends allowed at the unit picinc? sounds harmless, but mixing gay civilians with military members might stir some testosterone.
I know that this seems off-topic, but these are the type of things that the military will have to deal with.
so, you say that a sudden change will be of no harm to the military? well, we will have to wait and see.
Are you in the military? If not then how does it affect you? How does it affect anyone, are your Homosexual threads only meant for Homosexuals? Isn't that Bigoted? Just because i don't agree with your lifestyle I'm not allowed to play? Really y'all should relax, I don't take anything on any thread serious, do you think anything said here changes anybodies mind?
What did I say that upset you so bad? I stated a Homosexual who can't get it up in a shower full of naked men might not be homosexual, nobody should have even got offended but they did, i thought it was rather funny myself.
I thought you guys preached tolerance but your always the first to get upset when someone disagrees with you and first to call names, y'all should chill and have a little fun in here, lifes too short to go around crying all the time.
First of all, you seem to think that only gay people are for gay rights. Wrong. Secondly, I find it funny that you painted a picture in your mind of a bunch of naked men in the shower. Straight men don't think about this. We're not being crybabies. We're laughing at your ignorance. This is not a personal attack, but it's pretty obvious that you are questioning your sexuality. Truely straight men aren't shaken up and offended about a gay men looking at him in the shower. DADT should be abolished. No one should be fired from any job simply by being who they are.
"Your side" of the issue would have more credibility pretending the issue was about "military readiness," if, for example, hundreds of critical gay servcie members, such as Arabic translators, haven't been let go during a time of war.
Nice try the military has tons of translators.
nobody seriously thinks that the military needs gays. Nobody
that argument is like saying that the NFL would be so much better if we would allow prisoners to try out.
First of all, you seem to think that only gay people are for gay rights. Wrong. Secondly, I find it funny that you painted a picture in your mind of a bunch of naked men in the shower. Straight men don't think about this. We're not being crybabies. We're laughing at your ignorance. This is not a personal attack, but it's pretty obvious that you are questioning your sexuality. Truely straight men aren't shaken up and offended about a gay men looking at him in the shower. DADT should be abolished. No one should be fired from any job simply by being who they are.
You seem to be the one who's shook up, I made a simple statement and you seem to have gotton shook, sorry if ya can't handle it.
. No one should be fired from any job simply by being who they are.
uhm
happens all the time EVERYWHERE
in the military we call it "un-able to adapt to the military life"
if you are a slacker...you get fired...happens even in civilian life
you saying people should get fired for being who they are, is part of the problem....people are people,,,some can hack it some cant
some of the best soldiers have been gay...some of the best have been straight....its not about being gay or not....its about abiding by regulatory guidance
fact fraternization is not allowed in the military
fact adultery is not allowed in the military
fact sodomy is not allowed in the military
do these things happen some thimes...sure...but if you get caught..your out..period the end..and guess what it doesnt matter gay or straight
the whole point of DADT was to allow gays, by having them not to ADVERTISE there sexuality, and the military itself would not ask
if a straight soldier, said he was out all night screwing 10 chicks...guess what.. he would be writtten up, as a security violation, a health risk, and if on post violation of fraternation rules, and if in the barracks violation of a lawful order (against such activities in the barracks).....and that's a straight male
don't tell means just that dont advertise...its not about lying..its about adapting to the military life....when will the non-military people figure this out
in the military we call it "un-able to adapt to the military life"
if you are a slacker...you get fired...happens even in civilian life
you saying people should get fired for being who they are, is part of the problem....people are people,,,some can hack it some cant
some of the best soldiers have been gay...some of the best have been straight....its not about being gay or not....its about abiding by regulatory guidance
fact fraternization is not allowed in the military
fact adultery is not allowed in the military
fact sodomy is not allowed in the military
do these things happen some thimes...sure...but if you get caught..your out..period the end..and guess what it doesnt matter gay or straight
the whole point of DADT was to allow gays, by having them not to ADVERTISE there sexuality, and the military itself would not ask
if a straight soldier, said he was out all night screwing 10 chicks...guess what.. he would be writtten up, as a security violation, a health risk, and if on post violation of fraternation rules, and if in the barracks violation of a lawful order (against such activities in the barracks).....and that's a straight male
don't tell means just that dont advertise...its not about lying..its about adapting to the military life....when will the non-military people figure this out
they won't figure it out.
Most civilians probably think that military members can just call in sick too
overtime pay? sure, checks in the mail
the boss calls you into work? sure boss, I'll be right in
VA treats me ok, I still have many friends both active duty and x-active duty, some of them are not even heterosexual.. (gasp).
Even some of non hetero friends I have don't feel that the forced canceling of DADT is not a good idea. Some believe it will will being back immediate discharges, (which is what DADT replaced), and others believe that SOME homosexuals will flaunt it to the point of "in your face" to some people, bringing on violent responses.
YES people, VIOLENCE. It's not that the Military is a bunch of frat boys, it's a group of people trained to KILL other people. Why would you want to antagonize someone who's job it is, to be a professional at violence. Sooner or later it will work itself out, but not if you force it on people.
Channel fever, most people have no idea what that is. When our sub pulled back in from a 6 month deployement, the last 2 weeks were ugly. Everyone was on edge, haven't seen home in 6 months, adreniline pumping, people can't sleep, etc etc.. In the middle of this, you want to add to the issues? No some people won't care, some will, and they are already so far on edge that a dirty look will cause a fight.
VA treats me ok, I still have many friends both active duty and x-active duty, some of them are not even heterosexual.. (gasp).
Even some of non hetero friends I have don't feel that the forced canceling of DADT is not a good idea. Some believe it will will being back immediate discharges, (which is what DADT replaced), and others believe that SOME homosexuals will flaunt it to the point of "in your face" to some people, bringing on violent responses.
YES people, VIOLENCE. It's not that the Military is a bunch of frat boys, it's a group of people trained to KILL other people. Why would you want to antagonize someone who's job it is, to be a professional at violence. Sooner or later it will work itself out, but not if you force it on people.
I find it humorous how many civilians insist on some kind of group showers. That everyone in the military piles into showers to soap up together. Into a 30-inch by 30-inch stainless steel booth, with a solid door that swings inward, just how many do you expect to get in there?
No matter, so much of it is founded on fantasy.
I see your from VaBeach, do you mean DamNeck? I spent well over a year at DamNeck '77-'78 and again in '87 for a month.
Quote:
... Channel fever, most people have no idea what that is. When out sub pulled back in from a 6 month deployement, the last 2 weeks were ugly. Everyone was on edge, haven't seen home in 6 months, adreniline pumping, people can't sleep, etc etc.. In the middle of this, you want to add to the issues? No some people won't care, some will, and they are already so far on edge that a dirty look will cause a fight.
Channel Fever I know it well. I did 17 boomer patrols.
VA treats me ok, I still have many friends both active duty and x-active duty, some of them are not even heterosexual.. (gasp).
Even some of non hetero friends I have don't feel that the forced canceling of DADT is not a good idea. Some believe it will will being back immediate discharges, (which is what DADT replaced), and others believe that SOME homosexuals will flaunt it to the point of "in your face" to some people, bringing on violent responses.
YES people, VIOLENCE. It's not that the Military is a bunch of frat boys, it's a group of people trained to KILL other people. Why would you want to antagonize someone who's job it is, to be a professional at violence. Sooner or later it will work itself out, but not if you force it on people.
Channel fever, most people have no idea what that is. When out sub pulled back in from a 6 month deployement, the last 2 weeks were ugly. Everyone was on edge, haven't seen home in 6 months, adreniline pumping, people can't sleep, etc etc.. In the middle of this, you want to add to the issues? No some people won't care, some will, and they are already so far on edge that a dirty look will cause a fight.
And what about the other modern armies and militaries that have no ban on gays serving openly? Still haven't received a satisfactory answer from anyone.
Or are you insinuating that American soldiers are too stupid or too immature? More "trigger happy" or maybe more sexually insecure than their European or Canadian allies?
If the others found a way to deal with all of these major violence problems, I'm sure the military will be just fine. Just as they figured out how to cope with integration of the forces back when detractors like those on this board made shockingly similar arguments against same.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
the military has tons of translators. 
"x" Military - never.
