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Old 11-01-2010, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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In the 80's we visited both Phoenix and Tuscon. The difference was humidity and lawns. Pheonix was full of green laws. Tuscon had an ordinance that if you did not put in low to no watering desert yards you payed a hefty rate for water. It resulted in far fewer lawns and the overall humidity was also far dryer. I don't know if that is still in place but the first thing to do to save water is look at non-essencial uses. You don't need a nice grassy lawn and water hungry trees in the desert. Southern California has had increaingly severe drought conditions over the last twenty years and its too bad the proposal made before the inland areas past Riverside were filled with houses wasn't adapted. Builders could not get a permit to build unless they could show there was a source of water for the houses they planned, which would have stopped it dead in its tracks.

If that had happened there would not be thousands of empty houses sitting out towards the desert which got sold for a signature, Moreno Valley being the epicenter of the no down, no income, signature loans.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:10 PM
 
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Yes.
Some free market advocates disagree with you.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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Some free market advocates disagree with you.
Then those free market advocates should look at Somalia. They don't pay taxes.

How's that economy doing?
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: South Carolina - The Palmetto State
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In the 80's we visited both Phoenix and Tuscon. The difference was humidity and lawns. Pheonix was full of green laws. Tuscon had an ordinance that if you did not put in low to no watering desert yards you payed a hefty rate for water. It resulted in far fewer lawns and the overall humidity was also far dryer. I don't know if that is still in place but the first thing to do to save water is look at non-essencial uses. You don't need a nice grassy lawn and water hungry trees in the desert. Southern California has had increaingly severe drought conditions over the last twenty years and its too bad the proposal made before the inland areas past Riverside were filled with houses wasn't adapted. Builders could not get a permit to build unless they could show there was a source of water for the houses they planned, which would have stopped it dead in its tracks.

If that had happened there would not be thousands of empty houses sitting out towards the desert which got sold for a signature, Moreno Valley being the epicenter of the no down, no income, signature loans.
I was in Tuscon a few days ago - I honestly do not remember seeing any lawns, only rocks and desert flora in the yards. Even in the upscale Saddlebrook retirement area North of Tuscon, no lawns (except for parks).

I did find it odd to see cotton fields and pecan groves b/w Phoenix and Tucson - being both crops are very water intensive.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Uh, raising taxes is not how the free market works. Now, if you have just said that water rates would go up accordingly, without adjusting taxes, then that would be free markets at work.

I'm surprised Houston is on the list, considering that it averages a high amount of rainfall. But I'm not worried. Seriously, if Australia and Saudi Arabia can survive with little water, then there's no cause for concern
It is when it comes to municipal utilities like water, which is often controlled by other states.

Demand for water is to high, price of water increases, free market.

While its a government version of the free market, it still uses the same principles.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:27 PM
 
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Then those free market advocates should look at Somalia. They don't pay taxes.

How's that economy doing?
Do they have a free market system down there?
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:34 PM
 
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Do they have a free market system down there?
Minimal to non-existing government. No way of collecting taxes. Terrible economy.

Norway ran by socialists has a national unemployment rate of 2.6%

I rest my case.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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There has been talk of running pipelines out of the Great Lakes to the West and Southwest. That does not sit well with people in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota, who rely on those lakes for many things, especially things related to their local economies like fishing, shipping, pleasure boating and tourism.
Ohio would just leave the Union.

The people in those other states, especially Michigan, are retarded and would let the Feds roll into town just like the Soviets used to in Eastern Europe.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Then those free market advocates should look at Somalia. They don't pay taxes.

How's that economy doing?
Somalia is not a free market economy.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:39 PM
 
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Somalia is not a free market economy.
Who's stopping them from running an economy. There is no state in any real sense, and people don't pay taxes. What's holding back their economy?
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