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Originally Posted by Oerdin
The funny thing about the analysis of people like marcopolo is he claims people are fleeing liberal states, like California, yet the population of California just keeps going up and up and up. The reality is there is normal movement among the nation's states and that's all this is. People who have money and can afford the high cost of real estate in places like California stay or move to California while poorer people who cannot afford to pay $800,000 for a 4 bd 2.5 bth leave for less desirable places where they can actually afford housing. That's just the basic economics of supply and demand in high demand places like California.
California is the most desired place in the USA to live and one of the most desired in the world. Taxes and right to work and all that have nothing to do with it. WEATHER is the 2nd main factor for many people when they choose a place to call home (the 1st factor being family ties- people stay around where they grew up). There is a reason homes in California, Hawaii and south Florida cost $800,000. Everybody wants to live there.
I agree with that. People are fleeing such places in droves. They are fleeing Colorado which grew at an astonishing 16% in 10 years and is not a RTW or a "low tax" state, they are fleeing California which grew at 9% in that amount of time and now has 1 out every 10 US residents and is not a RTW or "low tax" state. Pretty much the same pattern in Oregon, Washington and even New Mexico which managed to eek out a 10% growth despite being a non RTW state and probably not a "low tax" state. Oh, and of course Neveda- which is technically a right to work state in that membership in a union is not mandatory as a condition of employment but payment of fees for bargaining is required- it only grew by 32% in the past 10 years.
Which is why this post and the article are silly. People mainly move for one reason and that is to live in BETTER WEATHER. People do not like living in places that have long cold dark winters. They want to live where the sun shines, temperatures are at least moderate in the winter and there are ample outdoor activities. That is why it cost lots of money to live in places like California and Florida- everybody wants to live there. Because everybody cannot live there, they choose "less warm but still mild" places like Georgia and Texas as places to live.
Of course tax policy has no effect on behavior?
"The Garden State lost $70 billion from 2004 to 2008 thanks to a moneyed exodus in both directions of the turnpike, according to a study by the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy at Boston College."
Wow and looky here what is happening in California.
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"With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.
Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs. "You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.
California is the most desired place in the USA to live and one of the most desired in the world. Taxes and right to work and all that have nothing to do with it. WEATHER is the 2nd main factor for many people when they choose a place to call home (the 1st factor being family ties- people stay around where they grew up). There is a reason homes in California, Hawaii and south Florida cost $800,000. Everybody wants to live there.
Not evrybody.
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"The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 //people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.
The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.
California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S."
California is the most desired place in the USA to live and one of the most desired in the world. Taxes and right to work and all that have nothing to do with it. WEATHER is the 2nd main factor for many people when they choose a place to call home (the 1st factor being family ties- people stay around where they grew up). There is a reason homes in California, Hawaii and south Florida cost $800,000. Everybody wants to live there.
Weather accounted for 0.7% of all reasons for moving in 2000. 51% moved looking for cheaper/better housing. 26% for family reasons, and 16% for jobs.
Apparently we have to wait until next year for the results of the 2010 census and updated results. However, given the fact that much of the housing bubble was fueled by retiring baby boomers moving from the Northeast to the South Central and Southwest regions, the category for "weather" may have gained ground.
As for growth rates, for the 2008-2009 period, Wyoming, Utah, and Texas rounded out the top 3 largest gains. They were followed by Colorado, D.C., Alaska, Arizona, Washington, North Carolina, Georgia, and South Carolina. Out of the top 10, 7 were red states and 7 were right to work states.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Not evrybody.
"The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 //people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.
The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.
California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S."
If more of them leave, maybe houses will get cheaper and we will move there!
Well that will certainly move California from circling the drain to actually going down it, since decrease in house values equals decrease in property tax revenue. Just what California needs now!
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