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Sure! I guess when you get old, don't count on social security or Medicaid when you have arthritis. You could just work until you drop like they do in Third World countries.
Dude even when you're a baby, your freedom is the most important thing in life.
So you're a "democratic" socialist. ok. Btw are you from Ga? What I mean is born and raised, because I've met a few "democratic" socialists where I'm from but they're never from here they're all from other states usually ones that were way more "democratically" socialist than mine, but would rather live here among all us Conservatives because they get more for their money, if that's not total hypocracy then what is?
No I'm from Minnesota, moved to GA with the military. Met my wife, married, settled down, miss the north. Trust me I'm not in the south because I get "more for my money" or because of "conservatives." I get less for my money here, I make less money than I could in up north, the school systems are lacking, and the cost of living is less because almost no one lives in certain parts of Georgia, nor do many people want to live in certain parts of the state. (See: South Georgia)
So then what would call spending $500 million to build a brand new sports complex and giving 10-percent to the owner? What would you call giving severance pay to Kenneth Lay or bailout money to all the large banks that used half of it to give bonuses to their board of directors? How about building billion dollar parking lots with fighter jets that never will be used? What's your definition of that? I can promise Bernie Madoff wasn't the only one who stole the people's money.
Here is the bottom of line of what you want: Equality. You want everyone equal, across the board, no matter where they come from, walk of life, etc.
I hate to tell you this: Life is not rainbows and fluffy clouds. Life is hard, mean, dirty, and nasty. The only person who is going to take care of you is YOU. If you truly think people want to help you, you are sadly mistaken; they will step over you, while you are dying in the streets and not think twice.
You will always have a small portion of society who will help, however, the vast majority of people do not care about you, your ideals, your family, or your cat.
The problem with socialism is you are forcing people to do something, they don't want to do. Human nature will over ride your sense of "equality." Hence, every socialist country in this world is falling apart, as we speak. Look at California and Mass. Both the most "socialist" states in the union; they are near bankrupt.
"They problem with socialism is: In the end, you run out of other peoples money to spend." Margaret Thatcher.
No I'm from Minnesota, moved to GA with the military. Met my wife, married, settled down, miss the north. Trust me I'm not in the south because I get "more for my money" or because of "conservatives." I get less for my money here, I make less money than I could in up north, the school systems are lacking, and the cost of living is less because almost no one lives in certain parts of Georgia, nor do many people want to live in certain parts of the state. (See: South Georgia)
Well thanks for being honest. Other than Jimmy Carter I've never heard of a true Georgian with those views there probably are but not many. I'm probably not going change your mind I imagine you've met plenty of people like me there and you're not going to change my mind. I'm firmly set in my beliefs and that's it. I do wonder if and i'm being hypothetical here if my views are right and the left ends up turning this country into a cross between the ussr, haiti, and zimbabwe would you change your opinion then?
Dude even when you're a baby, your freedom is the most important thing in life.
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How right you are! Part of that freedom entails opportunity. Too many people in our society mistake freedom with privilege. We weren't all born privilege, but last I checked, America is nicknamed "The Land of Opportunity." Unfortunately, there are fewer people with that opportunity now because greed and privilege has made too many people feeling locked out from that American dream.
Here is the bottom of line of what you want: Equality. You want everyone equal, across the board, no matter where they come from, walk of life, etc.
I hate to tell you this: Life is not rainbows and fluffy clouds. Life is hard, mean, dirty, and nasty. The only person who is going to take care of you is YOU. If you truly think people want to help you, you are sadly mistaken; they will step over you, while you are dying in the streets and not think twice.
You will always have a small portion of society who will help, however, the vast majority of people do not care about you, your ideals, your family, or your cat.
The problem with socialism is you are forcing people to do something, they don't want to do. Human nature will over ride your sense of "equality." Hence, every socialist country in this world is falling apart, as we speak. Look at California and Mass. Both the most "socialist" states in the union; they are near bankrupt.
"They problem with socialism is: In the end, you run out of other peoples money to spend." Margaret Thatcher.
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[SIZE=-1]Vision of a Socialist Economy
The operation of a democratic socialist economy is the subject of continuing debate within DSA. First it must mirror democratic socialism's commitment to institutional and social pluralism. Democratic, representative control over fiscal, monetary, and trade policy would enable citizens to have a voice in setting the basic framework of economic policy--what social investment is needed, who should own or control basic industries, and how they might be governed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]While broad investment decisions and fiscal and monetary policies are best made by democratic processes, many argue that the market best coordinates supply with demand for goods, services,and labor. Regulated markets can guarantee efficiency, consumer choice and labor mobility. However, democratic socialists recognize that market mechanisms do generate inequalities of wealth and income. But, the social ownership characteristic of a socialist society will greatly limit inequality. In fact, widespread worker and public ownership will greatly lessen the corrosive effect of capitalists markets on people's lives. Social need will outrank narrow profitability as the measure of success for our economic life.[/SIZE]
It's not so much about eliminating all inequality, that's not realistic. Some people are just more gifted, talented, harder workers, etc. However it's about limiting inequality when possible. And really to me it's just about fairness, I don't think it's fair for fat cats to swindle and fleece the flock and make a fortunate off the backs of others' labor. I think people deserve a say over where they work. I also think the government needs to stay out of business affairs and let big businesses fail if they fail. No more "too big to fail." End corporate socialism.
Here is the bottom of line of what you want: Equality. You want everyone equal, across the board, no matter where they come from, walk of life, etc.
I hate to tell you this: Life is not rainbows and fluffy clouds. Life is hard, mean, dirty, and nasty. The only person who is going to take care of you is YOU. If you truly think people want to help you, you are sadly mistaken; they will step over you, while you are dying in the streets and not think twice.
You will always have a small portion of society who will help, however, the vast majority of people do not care about you, your ideals, your family, or your cat.
The problem with socialism is you are forcing people to do something, they don't want to do. Human nature will over ride your sense of "equality." Hence, every socialist country in this world is falling apart, as we speak. Look at California and Mass. Both the most "socialist" states in the union; they are near bankrupt.
"They problem with socialism is: In the end, you run out of other peoples money to spend." Margaret Thatcher.
Yes, and there are always those out there who will rape, murder, and pillage. That doesn't make it okay. You sound like you're trying to justify greed, and I never said I support communism. That said, it is an extreme form of socialism and China is nowhere near in danger of going bankrupt. People will walk over us, leave us on an island, and take what isn't theirs partially because that's what they've been taught. The problem with greed is it creates cowards who lack the will to acknowledge their own consciences. Part of living in a free society is teaching its citizens morals and ethics.
Yes, and there are always those out there who will rape, murder, and pillage. That doesn't make it okay. You sound like you're trying to justify greed, and I never said I support communism. That said, it is an extreme form of socialism and China is nowhere near in danger of going bankrupt. People will walk over us, leave us on an island, and take what isn't theirs partially because that's what they've been taught. The problem with greed is it creates cowards who lack the will to acknowledge their own consciences. Part of living in a free society is teaching its citizens morals and ethics.
Would George Washington support socialism? How about Ben Franklin? Socialism is the exact opposite of a free society.
Yes, and there are always those out there who will rape, murder, and pillage. That doesn't make it okay. You sound like you're trying to justify greed, and I never said I support communism. That said, it is an extreme form of socialism and China is nowhere near in danger of going bankrupt. People will walk over us, leave us on an island, and take what isn't theirs partially because that's what they've been taught. The problem with greed is it creates cowards who lack the will to acknowledge their own consciences. Part of living in a free society is teaching its citizens morals and ethics.
I don't justify anything. I am saying human nature is human nature and you cannot change it or legislate it. You want fairness, which isn't going to happen. People are people and they don't care about you, your wants, your desires, your hopes, your dreams. They care about how much money they are getting in their wallets/purses at the end of the week. That is all.
Life is unfair and you aren't going to be able to change it. People rebel and fight, when they are forced to do something they don't want too do. There is a breaking point for everyone and everything. The American Revolution is a good example. People put up with British tyranny; for awhile. When it got to the point they could not take it anymore, armed revolution occurred.
Look around you today. People are at that breaking point and/or quite close too it. People who work everyday, are tired of seeing their paychecks going to something, they do not want, did not ask for, and do not need. That is the breaking point and its going to get worse.
The people in this country (read you) want all these social services from the government, but they do not want to pay for them. They want others to pay for them; hence your great stance on socialism. Its wonderful to have all these services, but not pay for them and/or pay very little.
The people who are paying for these services are at a breaking point. You've already seen certain violent acts, across this country, which are leading to the total break down of it. More are coming. The more you push people into paying for things they do not want too, so they cannot live their own lives, because socialists know better what to do with my money, the more violent acts will occur.
You talked about China. Well, guess what, I've said it before and I'll say it again: More wars have been fought in history, over money debts, then anything else. Standby, your children or grandchildren, will fight a war against China, to wipe out the massive debt we owe them. All for social programs, which cannot be sustained, but you want.
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