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Art is subjective but things that are purposely offensive, while perhaps being considered "art" by some, should not be put on display in a public museum.
Great post. Worth repeating.
Would have repped you but have to spread it around first.
The difference between a random paper cup sitting in the corner of a room by accident, and an art installation depicting same is INTENT and MEANING. You may disagree with the meaning, or think it's not as profound or valuable as the artist making the installation thinks it is, but that's a whole different thing than saying something is not art just because it doesn't fit your particular mold of "what art is."
I don't find much artistic value in "Thomas Kincade's" paintings, or Yoko Ono's performance pieces. I may make fun of both, but I will not say it's not art when the intention and effort was put forth by the artist as a form of expression.
Did anybody on this forum even bother take a single art appreciation class?
Again, how many days has this thread moved on and maybe one person has even attempted to critique the artist's intent and meaning behind showing an image of ant covered Jesus? Was the purpose to offend? Was it to provoke criticism of the church's stance on AIDS and safe sex practices? Was it because it looks cool? To promote Islam?
THAT'S the difference between having an EDUCATED discussion on the subject, and your typical discussion with the Holy Roller City Data crowd, who are all emotion and indignation with nothing going on "upstairs" of substance to back it up.
Okay. The "stated intent" was to depict the extreme suffering of AIDS victims. You may buy that at face value. We don't. It, and other such exhibits, which are appearing all over the country, are thinly veiled or should I say totally transparent attempts to defile and rid the country of Christianity by the Activists within the Homosexual Community. They are angry and need to obliterate Christianity because of its stance on Homosexual Marriage.
Now, the Constitution protects our right to be religious or not. This profane, anti-Christianity display is clearly hate-filled. The government has a duty to protect all people from hate speech, including not only gays but Christians, also. At the very least, the government does not have the right to use tax dollars to fund this form of hate-speech. I am thankful that Boehner has gotten it removed. Let them take it to a private gallery for those who wish to view it as "art." I am at the point of believing the government should not be funding the "arts," period. Too much wiggle room being taken advantage of by special interest activists.
There is a pattern of Inflammatory, Anti-Christianity Hate Art going on around the country. Some might call it "Bullying." Here are some more examples:
This link tells of an "art" exhibit praised by the New York Times, which consisted of a display of posters from the very activist group, ACT UP. One of the posters depicted Catholic Cardinal O'Connor in the form of a giant condem. The Cardinal was labeled, "ScumBag." (BTW, this same Cardinal has spent countless hours at the bedsides of AIDS patients.)
InsideCatholic.com | Archbishop Dolan takes on the New York Times (http://www.insidecatholic.com/archbishop-dolan-takes-on-the-new-york-times.html - broken link)
http://www.insidecatholic.com/archbishop-dolan-takes-on-the-new-york- (broken link)
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This one tells of the "art" exhibit in Loveland, CO's formerly family friendly public museum. The exhibit contains a picture of Jesus engaging in a homosexual sex act as well Mexican pornography and ethnic stereo types.
Public Museum Features Jesus in Sex Act - Archive - Fox Nation The artist claims he is trying to depict his concerns over religious institutions not religious beliefs. Oh really? I guess that makes it okay to use our tax dollars to fund it and makes it okay to take my children to view.
What is the difference between these hate-filled, politically motivated exhibits and political billboards or commercials? Nothing. Get them out of our publically funded galleries. In fact, get rid of our "publically funded" art altogether because too much of what is being called "art" aside from being socially/politically biased, hate-filled, & pornographic is just plain ugly. Artists and/or Activists who are truly passionate about their work should be able to find private funding if they are truly talented or if their "cause" is actually worthy.
And, yes, I have taken an Art Appreciation class.
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Thankfully in this case, it has worked the other way around; i.e. POOF! The hate-filled artwork has disappeared. Lah di dah
It hasn't disappeared. It will simply be displayed elsewhere.
Generally, I'll do you a deal. Get your goddamned crosses out of my face and I'll withdraw my tax funds from "inappropriate" displays at the Smithonian.
Okay. The "stated intent" was to depict the extreme suffering of AIDS victims. You may buy that at face value. We don't. It, and other such exhibits, which are appearing all over the country, are thinly veiled or should I say totally transparent attempts to defile and rid the country of Christianity by the Activists within the Homosexual Community. They are angry and need to obliterate Christianity because of its stance on Homosexual Marriage.
Nice try. The video and art was made in the 1980s, at the beginning of the AIDS crisis. This has nothing to do with "homosexual marriage" or anything of the sort.
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Now, the Constitution protects our right to be religious or not. This profane, anti-Christianity display is clearly hate-filled.
Again, you lack context and understanding of the artists' intent. You choose to see what you want, rather than the explicit stated objective of the piece. That says more about you and your perspective on life than the artist, or his piece.
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Originally Posted by GottaBMe
There is a pattern of Inflammatory, Anti-Christianity Hate Art going on around the country. Some might call it "Bullying." Here are some more examples:
[quote=This link tells of an "art" exhibit praised by the New York Times, which consisted of a display of posters from the very activist group, ACT UP. One of the posters called depicted Catholic Cardinal O'Connor in the form of a giant condem. The Cardinal was labeled, "ScumBag." (BTW, this same Cardinal has spent countless hours at the bedsides of AIDS patients.)[/Quote]
How is that hate speech against Christians?
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Originally Posted by GottaBMe
This one tells of the "art" exhibit in Loveland, CO's formerly family friendly public museum. The exhibit contains a picture of Jesus engaging in a homosexual sex act as well Mexican pornography and ethnic stereo types.
Public Museum Features Jesus in Sex Act - Archive - Fox Nation The artist claims he is trying to depict his concerns over religious institutions not religious beliefs. Oh really? I guess that makes it okay to use our tax dollars to fund it and makes it okay to take my children to view.
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Originally Posted by GottaBMe
What is the difference between these hate-filled, politically motivated exhibits and political billboards or commercials? Nothing. Get them out of our publically funded galleries. In fact, get rid of our "publically funded" art altogether because too much of what is being called "art" aside from being socially/politically biased, hate-filled, & pornographic is just plain ugly. Artists and/or Activists who are truly passionate about their work should be able to find private funding if they are truly talented or if their "cause" is actually worthy.
What part of "the Smithsonian did not pay the artists" do you not understand?
Again, we can agree that ALL public funding of ANY art should be stripped, and all paintings that depict religion in any sort, should be removed from the museums.
So what does that mean? The decent taxpayers should be subjected to their devient, vulgar, crude vision of art with our tax dollars? Has the gay community nothing to offer but what would only be attractive to a twisted degenerate mind?
Are you suggesting that you would somehow be forced to see this exhibit?
And how many people would have actually seen this anyway? It is not the sort of exhibit one just 'wanders' into. The NPG is not on the mall - one has to make a special point to visit it.
And in case anyone didn't know, the intent was to coincide with World Aids Day and the video in question depicted how the artist felt while suffering and dying from AIDs.
Yes, this man died a horrible death, but, I doubt very much if, way back in 1992 when this was filmed, he was thinking about ruining anyone's Christmas.
How unbelievably selfish and small-minded some so-called Christians are to not recognize or empathize with this man's suffering. Should we sanitize the horrible death Our Savior died on the cross as well? Would they ban all Christian-themed art through the ages because it is realistic and shows blood and gore and suffering? How about all of those bloody crucifixes hanging in Catholic churches? Surely they have the potential to ruin someone's Christmas.
Or are they just paying lip-service when they talk about how Jesus suffered and died for us?
Aren't these the same people whine constantly about government intrusion into their lives? Again, they prove that they are all about 'big' government when it suits their purposes.
Disgusting.
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Lah di dah
