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Old 01-06-2011, 01:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by JayBrown80 View Post
You keep on saying things like "We have the best Healthcare in the world" and "obamacare would GREATLY grow the defecit."

Opinions are fine and all, but can you back any of that up? Where do you get your information?
I know A LOT about healthcare. I would not go anywhere else in the world. Our quality standards are already second to none. Our government and their highest donors make sure-- thanks to all the attorneys, by the way.

You will soon see our statistical numbers improve as physicians will select the "best patients" to treat as we bundle reimbursement. These will be artificially increased statistics.

Lets get a clue and keep us the best in the world.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:42 AM
 
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Meh, I would rather trust an economist with SOME experience in government than some random poster on City-Data that says "Obama is a communist!!"
Again, the deficit already has exploded. Under the "supervision" of these so-called experts and economists. Trusting them to come up with a solution is an incredibly stupid thing to do and you truly deserve to live in the poverty they create when you empower them.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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I know A LOT about healthcare. I would not go anywhere else in the world. Our quality standards are already second to none. Our government and their highest donors make sure-- thanks to all the attorneys, by the way.

You will soon see our statistical numbers improve as physicians will select the "best patients" to treat as we bundle reimbursement. These will be artificially increased statistics.

Lets get a clue and keep us the best in the world.
Yes. YOU, the random City-Data poster knows a lot about healthcare.

I still don't believe America has the BEST. It's good, it's not the BEST. It's better than Haiti. It's not THE BEST. You saying it is doesn't make it so. It sounds like Jingoism to me.

I asked you to support your statement, you didn't.

Here is my statement : America DOES NOT have the best healthcare system in the world.

And now I will support my statement.

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

See how easy that was?

The World Health Organzation actually says we rank 37th. Not 1st. 37th.

Or course, you "know A LOT about healthcare" so we should just take your word for it.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Guy Nobody cares you keep posting this crap. Even if it was true, which it is not nobody wants to hear it from you. Do us a favor and just stop
Feel free to post a fact in rebuttal.
In fact, since you didn't, we can assume that you have no facts in rebuttal.
So why would you wish us to NOT know about facts?
Why would you resort to insults to discourage discussion ?

I stipulate that these facts ARE annoying. I was very annoyed when I read about them in the public record. That millions are unaware of these facts is also annoying.

[] The perpetual "temporary" State of Emergency is a FACT.
[] The lack of lawful money is a FACT.
[] The sidestepping of the USCON, by this emergency is a FACT.

[] The law DOES support my statements, and refutes your objections. Ignoring the law does not make it go away.

Remember, "the powers that be" have expended a fortune to indoctrinate you to be apathetic and ignorant about the law.
But don't take your anger out on the messenger.
Read the law, read the law, read the law.
Then complain to "your" public servants.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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Again, the deficit already has exploded. Under the "supervision" of these so-called experts and economists. Trusting them to come up with a solution is an incredibly stupid thing to do and you truly deserve to live in the poverty they create when you empower them.
No economist has the power to do or create anything dear. They advise the executive and the legislative branches. The President and the Congress are who we empower.

The president and congress report to us, the American Voters.

So if your statement is true, which it's not, that the deficit has exploded, then it's OUR fault because we didn't demand that our government not explode the deficit.

The onus is on us. LOL. Although isn't it nice to blame economists for all our problems? I mean, them mean old economists made us buy houses at adjustable rates with no money down, and run up our credit card debt to 80% of our yearly income.

Damn economists.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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Feel free to post a fact in rebuttal.
In fact, since you didn't, we can assume that you have no facts in rebuttal.
So why would you wish us to NOT know about facts?
Why would you resort to insults to discourage discussion ?

I stipulate that these facts ARE annoying. I was very annoyed when I read about them in the public record. That millions are unaware of these facts is also annoying.

[] The perpetual "temporary" State of Emergency is a FACT.
[] The lack of lawful money is a FACT.
[] The sidestepping of the USCON, by this emergency is a FACT.

[] The law DOES support my statements, and refutes your objections. Ignoring the law does not make it go away.

Remember, "the powers that be" have expended a fortune to indoctrinate you to be apathetic and ignorant about the law.
But don't take your anger out on the messenger.
Read the law, read the law, read the law.
Then complain to "your" public servants.
How can millions be unaware of these facts when you are constantly telling us about them?
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/op...ltz-eakin.html

Lets not even talk about the impact this has on states...ND alone is looking at needing to come up with an extra $1.1 billion over the next 10 years.
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:56 AM
 
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No economist has the power to do or create anything dear. They advise the executive and the legislative branches. The President and the Congress are who we empower.

The president and congress report to us, the American Voters.

So if your statement is true, which it's not, that the deficit has exploded, then it's OUR fault because we didn't demand that our government not explode the deficit.

The onus is on us. LOL. Although isn't it nice to blame economists for all our problems? I mean, them mean old economists made us buy houses at adjustable rates with no money down, and run up our credit card debt to 80% of our yearly income.

Damn economists.
Man you are dim.

Yes the American people are ultimately to blame. And that's why I'm telling you not to trust those experts and economists. So there might be a slim chance it will get through your tick skull that you shouldn't vote for these people anymore.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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  1. Yeah, I understand your take on this issue.
  2. I don't agree with you on how you feel the economy should be based.
  3. The American economy and GDP has grown to large to be held to the gold standard.
  4. I am fine with the economy being backed by the American Free Market.
  5. Frankly, if the American Free Market collapsed, we have a lot more to worry about then whether or not a dollar is a true unit of measurement.
  6. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree.
  7. No reason to keep on giving me homework assignments to go look something up.
  8. If you are under the impression I will start agreeing with you once I have read all of your foot notes, you are wrong.
  9. We cannot go back to an economy as it was in 1933.
  10. You are like the dude that when the house is on fire, instead of grabbing a hose, you stand to the side and wax nostalgic on how hoses used to be made in 1933.
  11. It's over, we will never go back.
  12. Please stop posting walls of text.
1. With all due respect, you do not understand.
2. Your conclusion is not based on fact.
3. At no time have I espoused a return to the gold standard. I merely point out that what the LAW says, and what millions believe are entirely at odds.
4. That statement has no meaning. Are you implying that the currency backed by the marketplace is acceptable?
5. There has been no "free market" since 1933. That's why government can levy an excise tax on the "privilege" to buy and sell.
6. I do not think you grasp it yet.
7. If you refuse to educate yourself, your opinions will be based on faulty data. GIGO.
8. Agreement has nothing to do with facts. I do not need your agreement that the Earth rotates so that the sun appears to rise in the east and set in the west. Ditto for law.
9. If you read the law, you'd know that statement is not what I implied.
10. Your interpretation is not based on the facts in evidence. The year 1933 merely marks the beginning of the United Socialist States of America, operating in bankruptcy, trading in "human resources". The years leading up to the collapse were no better. But if you do not know the law, you won't know WHY things are as they are.
11. I never said we should go back.
12. If facts annoy you, why aren't you more annoyed at lies? Or are opinions based on lies more acceptable to the masses?



Emergency Powers Statutes, Senate Report SR 93-549, November 19, 1973
Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
"Exploding the deficit" is germane to the issue of fact. The public debt, pursuant to law, cannot be paid. It is based on an abominable fraud, usury, and thanks to the 14th amendment, cannot be questioned.

If you don't know the law, you won't know why Congress acts impotent to resolve the issue.
Their hands are tied.

Restating :
Americans have lived under a state of emergency, whereby the government can legally sidestep the limitations of the USCON. Any posturing by "politicians" to "restore" the USCON is a BIG LIE.
They'd have to repudiate the public debt, which they cannot do.
Neither party, nor wing, nor any interest group can effect change...
UNDER CURRENT LAW.

And since you refuse to read the law, you don't know what needs to be changed.

That's what is called, "barking up the wrong tree..."
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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How can millions be unaware of these facts when you are constantly telling us about them?
I doubt that millions read C-D.
However, I am sure that millions do not read law.
I am doubly sure that millions have not read the U.S. Constitution, nor comprehend it.

And if you accept these facts, what do you conclude is the optimal solution?

Here's a hint:
Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, job #1 is to secure rights, and job #2 is govern those who consent.

Furthermore, consent waives job#1.

Withdrawing consent to be governed, restores job #1, and changes the nature of the government's duties to you.

Write a polite letter to "your" public servants asking how and when you gave consent to be governed.
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